What spot would they be in???

Does Kyocera make handsets for anywhere other than North America?

 

that would be amazing and would take a supercomputer brain to give the absolute truth or several months froma human brain.......haha.......i'm too brain dead most of the time to factor out what-ifs with that many parameters.....haha

 

Japan, China, South America, Australia and New Zealand... according to their website.

 

Do they make anything other than CDMA handsets?

 

No, not that I'm aware of.

 

I do not believe the U.S. authorities would allow a Cingular acquisition by Vodafone while allowing Vodafone to hold on to their 45% interest in Cellco. Any such acquisition, I'm sure, would be conditional upon Vodafone selling their Cellco interest to Verizon.

But then, now that AT&T is in the process of acquiring BellSouth, which would make Cingular wholly-owned by AT&T, Vodafone would have to either buy out AT&T entirely, or make AT&T an offer for the wireless division, that they can't refuse.

Then again, would their customers want to go through yet another name change...

 

probably not but it wont be nearly as bad as the merger between Cingular Wireless and AT&T Wireless......its just gonna be a simple OTA like the merger thats going through for AT&T and BellSouth


EDIT: the only people it will really matter for are its investors.....and stockholders

 

Voda were ready to ditch their Verizon stake when they were bidding for AT&T.

Voda tend to change networks's names to include Vodafone somewhere in the title.

 

What's an "OTA?"

 

Over The Air update?

 

That's the usual meaning for those three letters, but Over The Air merger???

 

well....the thing is.....when 2 cell companies merge....they have to go and change all of the towers SIDs to match but when its a matter of ownership like the merger between AT&T and BellSouth affecting Cingular its just a simple name change and all they have to do is update the PRLs to change the alpha tags

 

I thought PRL's were a CDMA thing.

 

well the GSM phones are automatically updated when roaming agreements so GSM phones dont have what you would exactly call a PRL but something very very similar....it just basically prevents you from roaming on certain networks or keeps you from trying to manually roam on other networks when your home network is available

 

well...that is a big step for a company that is kinda lagging.........full UMTS rollout by beginning of January.....sounds kinda promising...too good to be true almost.......well see......what does Cingular plan to use for 4g???

 

If the merger gets approved, AT&T will own 100% of BellSouth & Cingular, so they could change the name at any time after that since everything will be owned by AT&T.

 

I don't believe ANY of it.

Cingular changed their SIM cards to allow a Cingular phone to use either Cingular Orange or Cingular Blue (ex-AT&T), whichever network had the strongest signal.

As far as Cingular customers roaming on T-Mobile and vice-versa, baloney, especially in the manner that the poster has described. That would require both Cingular and T-Mobile phones to all have the same SIM (see previous paragraph) and that is not going to happen either. :loony:

 

wait.....i have roamed on Cingular lots of times.......ive even used GPRS for free on Cingulars networkd sometimes too.......granted the local network IMMIX is a lot better coverage-wise...but T-Mobile does have good voice and data agreements with Cingular in certain areas

and why do you say that T-Mobile would have to "have the same SIM cards as Cingular? wats the difference

 

This:

Where Cingular provided new SIM's so their phones could use either Orange or Blue (the stronger network in the area), the above comment from Jordan is on the same principle as that.

The problem with Jordan's statement is "whoever has the best signal at the time". THAT would imply (in my opinion) that both Cingular and T-Mobile phones would have to use the same SIM for that scenario to work, and that is NOT going to happen, not now, not ever.

It would be possible for a roaming agreement that would allow both Cingular and T-Mobile customers to roam on each other's network, but the customer would have to select which network to use in the phone itself. In some areas at present, T-Mobile can already roam on Cingular, where there isn't native T-Mobile service.

 

but that concept of choosing the stronger network...would.......in all escence.....make Cingular's and T-Mobile's network one.....they just wouldnt be one company on paper.....

 

You are correct. But something like that is not going to happen.

 

exactly so why did you even bother suggesting that point because Cingular and T-Mobile do have roaming agreements....the arent sworn nemesees......haha

 

I am lost here then, if AT&T Buys BellSouth for the 85+ Billion dollars they don't own BellSouth 100% ?

Also which merger has the name change terms ? The Cingular/AWE merger, the SBC/AT&T Merger or the pending AT&T/BellSouth merger?

I know AT&T has publicly stated sometime after 1 year of the AT&T/BellSouth merger being completed, they are going to change the name of Cingular to AT&T Wireless.

Not that I don't believe you, but something in writing to show this can help me & others understand this difference in what was announced in the media when the merger was announced vs what your hearing or reading from Cingular.

 

The carriers involved will not do it if only because having better coverage on one network or the other is that company's trump for "better service" and customers will go to them rather than to a competing network. Having multiple roaming partners is an advantage that foreign roamers commonly have if the home carrier has multiple roaming agreements you can roam on any network that has a roaming agreement. That's why when I go to the Netherlands I just keep my phone on automatic network selecction and the phone finds the strongest network signal and latches on to that and will even find another network if the original network gets too weak and is unusable.

 

well im not too thriled with some of the choices that Cingular has made with their plans or network upgrades and things like that but I love T-Mobile and if this merger will give seemingly unlimited roaming between the 2 networks then that will make everyone happy increasing cuztomers for T-Mobile and Cingular........itll be like the roaming agreement between Alltel and Verizon...they have almost unlimited services between eachothers networkss when their custs. are roaming on eachother

so just to clarify my understandin of this......when Cingular bought AT&T they started manufacturing new SIMS that could pick the strongest tower because many times the phones would pick up 2 towers but one would be better than the other....so when the AT&T/BellSouth merger gets approved...which i hope it will....then the T-Mobile phones and the Cingular phones will have limitless roaming on eachother???