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UMTS PEAKS up to 14 MBs

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  1. jones

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    Ericsson demonstrates WCDMA, HSDPA phase 2 during CTIA Wireless 2005

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    Date: Monday, March 14 2005

    During CTIA Wireless 2005 in New Orleans, Ericsson is demonstrating
    11 Mbps high-speed data downloads and streaming applications over
    HSDPA phase 2 and a live WCDMA system. HSDPA, phase 2, increases the
    WCDMA system capacity and allow for peak rates up to 14 Mbps.

    The HSDPA demonstration runs on a commercial system such as Cingular
    Wireless will launch later this year. Ericsson will provide a portion
    of Cingular's UMTS/High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) packet
    core and radio network equipment for both the 850 and 1900 MHz bands.

    "HSDPA is vital for providing the data speeds necessary for operators
    to provide Mobile Triple Play services - voice, video and data in a
    mobile environment," said Angel Ruiz, President and Chief Executive
    Officer, Ericsson North America. "Ericsson's WCDMA radio access
    solutions will allow operators to upgrade easily to HSDPA."

    Ericsson HSDPA represents a natural, fully standardized evolution of
    UMTS that will improve the peak data downlink rate to as high as 14
    Mbit/s and offer operators more than twice the system capacity within
    the current radio spectrum. During the 3GSM World Congress in Cannes
    in February, Ericsson achieved peak rates of 11 Mbit/s in
    demonstration of HSDPA, phase 2, in a live WCDMA system based on
    commercial products.

    HSDPA will enable operators to deliver more advanced mobile broadband
    services such as Internet and corporate access. Its unprecedented
    data rates will allow users to download audio, video and large files
    or attachments significantly faster than with traditional UMTS.

    Ericsson is shaping the future of Mobile and Broadband Internet
    communications through its continuous technology leadership.
    Providing innovative solutions in more than 140 countries, Ericsson
    is helping to create the most powerful communication companies in the
    world. Read more at http://www.ericsson.com/press


    UMTS PEAKS up to 14 MBs
     
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    And meanwhile DoCoMo's HSDPA roll-out in Japan is delayed to the second half of 2006 giving EV-DO even a greater edge.

    Nobody'sFool
     
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    Yes but Cingular plans to roll it out forth quarter 2005 :cool:
     
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    That's why America will be on Top.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    I would like to see Cingular succeed but it looks to me like there are still issues with the technology that are delaying the roll-out in Japan where HSDPA is needed much more than it is in the US. Can't help but be pessimistic about Cingular's schedules but of course they need to be outwardly optimistic due to Wall Street.

    AF
     
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    Yeah. The telecom world is known for big promises in order to keep the shareholders from selling out. Qwest is making big hype to MCI shareholders in order for them to put confidence in their synergies savings strategy.
     
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    There will always be Issues.
     
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    Japan is a different case, since it has no GSM.
    However if you look at umts
    in europe it's succesful.
     
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    The industry should develop one very clear term for WCDMA/UMTS in the US. Nobody here in Europe calls UMTS "WCDMA". All 3G/UMTS phones and price plans are marketed as "UMTS".
     
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    Europe does Not want to be Associated w/ CDMA
    since it's associated w/ America.
    Preferring to call it UMTS
    instead of WCDMA.
     
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    I think Cingular can achieve the advertised 20 markets by year end but i share your pessimism with regard to having all 100 major markets covered by YE2006 and having the technology running without bugs. From what i hear, Cingular is doing the absolute minimum to rollout HSDPA given that all the fancy handsets and cards with all the advertised 14 Mbps capabilities are not available until mid 2006.
     
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    Cingular is not planning to rollout HSDPA in 2005. They are talking about 15 to 20 markets on first generation UMTS only to add to the existing 6 markets AT&T Wireless built. The plan is for later in 2006 those UMTS areas will be upgraded to HSDPA and any new additional markets will go straight to HSDPA instead of getting plain UMTS first.

    A more ambitious plan calls for having the top 100 markets on HSDPA by the end of 2006, but if HSDPA still has issues by then, we can see any HSDPA rollout be postponed until sometime 2007. But the top 100 markets will have at least UMTS first generation by the end of 2006 which is the hardest part. Once they do this, the HSDPA upgrade should be quick and easy as long as HSDPA is ready on time.
     
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    Bobo,
    Getting HSDPA is simmular to getting EV-DO on 1XRTT base station?



    I do feel Cingular should get WCDMA in the big cities for now and work on fixing cingular blue problems.
     
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    Bobo, in a recent article from Wireless Week, Cingular was quoted as saying that they will deploy UMTS with HSDPA initially in 20 markets just in time for the 2005 holiday buying season. Sue Marek, the writer, has always been a good source and quotes very accurately. Article is attached for a good read. But I do know that more recently that several articles have come out stating the difficulties with deploying HSDPA so early. I wouldn't be surprised if they did delayed until 2006 in order to iron out the bugs. But I would think being first to rollout it out would be a big feat.

    http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/CA510474?text=vendors+ready+hsdpa&stt=001
     
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    That's exactly what it should've been called from Day 1 :)
     
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    The questions for me are,What are the REAL WORLD speed differences between CDMA 1xRT and EDGE? What is the REAL WORLD speed difference between EV-DO and UTMS?

    Taking that into consideration, VZW has EVDO going in over 24 markets RIGHT NOW!!!

    By the time Cingular has UTMS running in there first 20 markets how many EV-DO markets will VZW have up and running?
     
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    UMTS Has a Global advantage,
    where it has economies of scale.
    So you have to include the rest of the world.
    You can count the countries
    who will be using EV-DO
    by your Fingers in one Hand.
    While UMTS customers in Europe
    are now in the Millions.
     
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    While your coment doesn't answer my original questions, it does raise a few new ones.

    Like, how well is UTMS working (real world) in europe and how many people are using it? How much help can Cingular get from European experts in putting this system up and getting it running hear? I am all for a firesce data war hear in the US. When will we start to see it?
     
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    UMTS is working well

    500% Growth Confirms Take-Off For 3GSM

    3GSM helps GSM family to 90% of digital mobile net adds in 2004
    3GSM World Congress, Cannes, France, 14th February 2005: Net additions of more than 13.5 million users, representing an annual growth rate of more than 500%, confirmed that 3GSM took-off during 2004.

    At the year-end, 60 operators in 30 countries were offering 3GSM services. The global 3GSM customer base is fast approaching 20 million today. 3GSM is now the world's most widely used broadband 3G mobile system and has already been commercially launched by operators in Africa, the Americas, Asia Pacific, Europe and the Middle East.

    3GSM was conceived to build on GSM’s heritage and preserve the user and operator benefits of seamless global services. It’s efficiency delivers extra capacity to accommodate continuing growth in demand for voice services while its enhanced data performance creates the platform for the convergence of the mobile and internet worlds.

    Inter-operability at the network level, combined with the general availability of dual-mode handsets, allows “green-field” 3GSM operators to connect into the global community of 650+ 3GSM and 3GSM operators, enhancing the international roaming services they can offer their customers, as demonstrated by the GSM Association’s Japanese members.

    The 13.5 million 3GSM net adds, combined with GSM’s growth of more than 270 million users, helped the GSM family take 90% of global mobile growth in 2004.

    Rob Conway, CEO of the GSM Association and Member of its Board said: “3GSM promised to add an exciting new dimension to mobile services and is now delivering against that promise. It’s here, it’s now and it’s robust.”

    While operators have been deploying their networks and preparing to launch, the GSM Association has been actively building the foundations for the long term success of 3GSM.

    Data roaming is now a reality, as demonstrated by the growing penetration of data cards and devices such as the Blackberry among international business travellers. GSMA’s billing principles now support data and MMS roaming across GPRS, EDGE and 3GSM.

    The GSMA has also led an initiative to ensure the quality and interoperability of new multimedia services by proving the technical interoperability of equipment and the practical network interconnection for SIP-based services such as instant messaging, push-to-talk-over-cellular, video telephony and multiplayer games. (See GSMA press release: GSMA Trials prove interoperability of IP Multimedia Messaging)

    Integrated Messaging is a new solution for mobile users that builds on existing messaging services and interoperability to create an integrated user experience for SMS, MMS and mobile email that is intuitive and easy to use and will help drive richer messaging services into the mass market. (See GSMA press release: Mobile Industry aligns with Integrated Messaging)

    The recently announced extension of GCF-testing to 3GSM terminals is another important step forward that will reduce inter-operability testing costs for operators and their vendor partners alike. It will also shorten time-to-market for new 3GSM terminals and ultimately reduce costs to users.

    GCF-certification confirms that terminals have been tested to an agreed and continuously-updated suite of validated test cases based upon criteria developed by the global standards-making community.

    “3GSM has now reached the critical mass required to catalyse a boom in the development of new, innovate broadband mobile data and multimedia services,” says Conway. “As demand for broadband mobile data services grows, further performance enhancements based on international standards are already on the horizon, initially through HSDPA, and subsequently through HSUPA.”

    Africa
    Mauritius
    Emtel


    South Africa
    Vodacom


    The Americas

    United States
    Cingular Wireless


    Asia Pacific

    Australia



    Hong Kong




    CSL



    SmarTone


    Japan
    NTT DoCoMo



    Vadafone KK


    Singapore
    SingTel


    Europe
    Austria




    A1 (Mobilkom)



    One



    Tele.ring



    T-Mobile


    Belgium
    Proximus (Belgacom)


    Croatia
    VIPnet


    Denmark
    3


    Finland
    Elisa



    Telia Sonera


    France
    SFR



    Orange


    Germany
    E-Plus



    O2



    T-Mobile



    Vodafone


    Greece
    Cosmote



    Stet Hellas (TIM)



    Vodafone


    Guernsey
    Wave Telecom


    Ireland
    Vodafone


    Italy
    3



    TIM



    Vodafone



    Wind


    Luxembourg
    Tango (Tele2)


    Netherlands
    KPN



    Vodafone


    Norway
    Telenor


    Poland
    Plus GSM (Polkomotel)


    Portugal
    Optimus



    TMN



    Vodafone


    Slovenia
    Mobitel


    Spain
    Amena



    Telefonica



    Vodafone


    Sweden
    3



    Tele2 Comviq



    TeliaSonera



    Vodafone


    Switzerland
    Swisscom


    United Kingdom
    3



    Orange



    O2



    T-Mobile



    Vodafone


    Middle East

    Bahrain
    MTC Vodafone


    Israel
    Cellcom



    Partner ( Orange Israel )


    UAE
    Etisalat
     
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    VZW could be Find it's Version of CDMA
    a LONER in the GLOBAL CDMA World.
     
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    None of the technology really matters at this point because VZW and Cingular are both only adding between 3-4 T1's per site. That is only 1.5 MBPS per span. So 11mb per second won't do you any good with the bottleneck on the back end.... :loony:
     
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    This is what I've heard from other users here in the US:

    1xRTT: 60kbps - 150kbps

    EDGE: 80kbps - 200kbps (depends on device used)

    UMTS: 240 - 320kbps

    EV-DO: 300 - 500kbps
     
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    According to Nortel:
    HSDPA – 14.4 megabits per second


    June 6, 2005
    BB Mobile, Nortel First to Demonstrate HSDPA Wireless Broadband in Japan
    Supercharged Wireless Broadband Tests Provide Path to Real-Time DVD-Quality Film, Gaming Applications

    TOKYO – BB Mobile, a SOFTBANK Group company, and Nortel * [NYSE/TSX: NT] have completed what is believed to be Japan's first 'supercharged' wireless data transmission of 14.4 million bits per second (Mbps) – 30 times faster than today's commercially deployed wireless networks – using Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) technology. Live field tests were conducted with mobile handsets on BB Mobile's wireless network built by Nortel.

    The trial, using the 1.7 GHz radio frequency band for mobile communications, was the first time high-speed downlink packet access (HSDPA) technology has been demonstrated by any operator or wireless infrastructure supplier in Japan based on published announcements. BB Mobile and Nortel conducted HSDPA testing after a trial license for W-CDMA at 1.7GHz spectrum was issued on May 30, 2005. Nortel will showcase some of the test results during Networld+Interop 2005 Tokyo (Hall 5 - Booth# 5B05) beginning June 6, 2005.

    By successfully demonstrating supercharged high speeds and reliable transmission of data using HSDPA, BB Mobile and Nortel have taken a significant step forward in evolving BB Mobile's network to meet future demand for mobile broadband communication services. HSDPA is designed to advance wireless capabilities through delivery of new services like real-time DVD quality video, gaming applications, videoconferencing and split-second multimedia collaboration for business.

    "Nortel is working aggressively to establish a first mover advantage in HSDPA to create a differentiated solution that will position our customers for success," said Peter MacKinnon, president, GSM/UMTS, Nortel. "The trial with BB Mobile demonstrates how this mobile broadband capability elevates the user's experience to a new plateau, and we are proud to be working with innovative operators like BB Mobile."

    "BB Mobile consistently seeks ways to bring the very best in technology and value to our customers," said Hiroshi Ishihara, Director of Regulatory and External Affairs Department, BB Mobile. "This successful trial with Nortel allows us to take the next step in delivering enhanced features first to our users."

    HSDPA can significantly reduce operating costs for service providers while delivering high quality communications through more efficient use of existing networks. HSDPA makes it possible for networks to carry 30 times more data traffic and to support up to twice as many wireless users per cell site compared to today's UMTS networks.

    Nortel recently completed the industry's first HSDPA trial in Israel with Partner Communications. Nortel has also announced a series of industry milestones with leading chipset and data card vendors. Nortel has worked with a number of wireless operators on HSDPA trials and deployments in 2005, including mmO2, Orange (at 3GSM World Congress 2005 in Cannes, France), Vodafone (at CeBIT 2005 in Hanover, Germany) and mobilkom austria.

    Nortel has demonstrated the maximum data speed enabled by HSDPA – 14.4 megabits per second – on commercially-available equipment, including Nortel's UMTS Base Transceiver Stations (BTS) and UMTS Radio Network Controller (RNC) and terminals from Ubinetics. Nortel's equipment is designed to be HSDPA-ready and to cost-effectively upgrade to support HSDPA through software installation.

    The BB Mobile trial was held in Saitama prefecture using Nortel's core network for mobile communications and access network, including base stations. BB Mobile and Nortel plan to continue to work together on new wireless technologies in order to provide the best wireless experience for BB Mobile's customers.

    Nortel has designed, installed and launched more than 300 wireless networks in over 70 countries. Nortel was the industry's first supplier with wireless networks operating in all advanced radio technologies, and is the only end-to-end provider of all next generation wireless solutions.

    HSDPA – 14.4 megabits per second
     
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    real world data will show that it's slower. On a "loaded" network speeds and more in the 900kps to 1.2Mps range. This is also only on the downlink not in both directions. :cool:
     
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    I wonder what Cingular's test results were. They have tested HSDPA in 4 markets already.
     
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    Bobo;

    I refer back to my last post 900kps to 1.2Mps per my sources in the tests :cool2:
     
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    Bobolito,

    I would like to know what real world HSDPA test results show (as opposed to the 14 mbps that the megahypsters talk about.)

    I used a wCDMA (UMTS or whatever) handset at Taipei 101 and got very close to 380 kbps, which is very nearly the maximum. Then again I believe that I had the only such handset on that tower. I can say this with reasonable confidence because FET is still testing their wCDMA network and at 8 PM Sunday night, it is unlikely that any company testers were on duty to share the bandwidth. If I recollect what the megahypsters were saying before wCDMA was launched, it was going to provide over 2 mbps.
     
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    My Verizon CDMA2000 handset works very well in Taiwan.
     
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    I spoke with my buddies at Nortel that did the HSDPA UMTS install in Israel and they said that they are getting a rate of about 1.4Mps on the downlink but it's limited on the uplink to 400Kps :D
     

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