Welcome to Our WirelessAdvisor Community!

You are viewing our forums as a GUEST. Please join us so you can post and view all the pictures.
Registration is easy, fast and FREE!

The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost bandw

Discussion in 'Wireless News' started by viewfly, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. viewfly

    viewfly Mobile RF Advisor
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    6,004
    Likes Received:
    858
    My Phone:
    iPhone XS Space Grey
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T; Tmobile SIM only
    From MIT Technology Reviews today.


    http://www.technologyreview.com/new...ily-all&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20130930


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
     
  2. Steve B

    Steve B Bronze Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    Messages:
    879
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    My Phone:
    iPhone 12 Pro Max
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    Am I reading this right? Apple only uses it for SIRI? Has this been proven? I was hoping this would solve the problem with iPhone on the fringes of a WiFi hotspot where it constantly hangs on to a unusable WiFi signal and doesn't revert to a cellular connection.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  3. viewfly

    viewfly Mobile RF Advisor
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    6,004
    Likes Received:
    858
    My Phone:
    iPhone XS Space Grey
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T; Tmobile SIM only
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    According to the article no one knows for certain. And the article is about the 5S.

    It is also about simultaneous use, not switch off as in the example you give.


    Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk Pro
     
  4. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    Interesting. Seems to be coming out of the Linux camp?
    Some implementations on the Samsung S4 and 2:
    MultiPath TCP - Linux Kernel implementation : Users - Android browse

    I imagine it will be included stock on upcoming Android versions. Everyone loves to keep their spec-sheets in-line almost as much as they luvs teh benchmark testing ;)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  5. Steve B

    Steve B Bronze Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    Messages:
    879
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    My Phone:
    iPhone 12 Pro Max
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    I need to update my profile. LOL. I do have the 5S. The reason why this thread caught my eye was because the iPhones do love to hang on to unusable WiFi. I saw this multipath TCP as the answer. In fact, where I originally saw these "feature" at, they talked about my specific issue. So I'm hoping Apple isn't just limiting this to SIRI.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    1 person likes this.
  6. viewfly

    viewfly Mobile RF Advisor
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    6,004
    Likes Received:
    858
    My Phone:
    iPhone XS Space Grey
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T; Tmobile SIM only
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    It doesn't seem to be coming from the Linux camp. Rather suggested TCP extensions from the IETF, a voluntary group promoting internet standards, without any real power.

    I'm guessing that Apple is doing their own proprietary experimentation with MCTCP, as are the others mentioned.

    Original Blog that discovered the feature in iOS

    And the IETF (internet engineering task force) memo on MCTCP extensions.

    Given the experimental nature of it, and the lack of control that Google has with Android with each cell manufacturer, it will probably get screwed up in Android.
     
  7. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    The reference model is built on Linux, so it's coming from that direction.
    Multipath TCP

    I'm sure Apple is the only one who can get anything right :rolleyes:
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  8. dmapr

    dmapr Silver Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    My Phone:
    Pixel XL
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless; MTS
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    Even Apple can't get everything right. However, when something doesn't get done right in iOS, everybody knows who's to blame: Apple. When something gets screwed up in Android, nobody knows who's to blame. Kernel guys? Google? Manufacturers that tweak Android? Carriers that tweak the tweaked Android?
     
    2 people like this.
  9. viewfly

    viewfly Mobile RF Advisor
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    6,004
    Likes Received:
    858
    My Phone:
    iPhone XS Space Grey
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T; Tmobile SIM only
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    It's interesting that this feature gets little press. Being that Apple is the first mobile platform to give it a try, on a scale of 200 million or so, it's seems more innovative and useful implementation then say going from a 4 to 4.3 inch screen.




    Sent from my iPad mini using Tapatalk Pro
     
  10. dmapr

    dmapr Silver Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    My Phone:
    Pixel XL
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless; MTS
    Re: The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boost b

    I think that's because this feature is actually aiming at being invisible to the user. Unless you're actually watching closely you may not even notice minute transitions. For example, in the building where I work I often go Wi-Fi-mobile-Wi-Fi as I move between floors. Unless my eyes are glued to the screen I won't notice the Wi-Fi was dropped for 5-6 seconds it took to switch between base stations. 4" vs. 4.3" screen is something everything can see immediately and most people can relate to in one way or another.
     
  11. viewfly

    viewfly Mobile RF Advisor
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    6,004
    Likes Received:
    858
    My Phone:
    iPhone XS Space Grey
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T; Tmobile SIM only
    The new iPhone breaks ground by seamlessly sharing Wi-Fi and 4G for Siri; boo...

    Yes I agree and appreciate that point. It's these unseen engineering changes that make the overall experience better. As is the faster response touchscreen.

    And most of that is missed by even expert members of forums like these. Not much one can do with a slab of glass and metal- but changes inside can be huge.

    Another example. The 15% pixel area increase is huge for camera performance, even though the number of pixels hasn't changed. Most just count pixels. Same with the dual, 2 temperature LEDS. That's a real first for any camera. Back on the screen: 15%. That's like going from a 4 to 4,6 inch screen to place it in perspective.

    It's these under the surface changes that intrigue me on any platform.


    Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk Pro
     
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

Copyright 1997-2023 Wireless Advisor™, LLC. All rights reserved. All registered and unregistered trademarks are the property of their respective holders.
WirelessAdvisor.com is not associated by ownership or membership with any cellular, PCS or wireless service provider companies and is not meant to be an endorsement of any company or service. Some links on these pages may be paid advertising or paid affiliate programs.

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice