TDMA vs CDMA Who will you pick??

I picked TDMA.

I travel constantly on business and I almost always have digital coverage with TDMA. (I can count on 1 hand the number of times I did not have digital service when traveling).

In my home state of Wisconsin, TDMA is the only digital technology that blankets the entire state!

Hman

 

Hi Apoc,

I have got to admit that I am getting more and more baffled by your posts. What is the point you are making? Who disagrees with you that CDMA is a technically more advanced digital broadcast system? I think we are all agreed on that point, even the carriers agree on that point. The final step for 3G will be -w-CDMA and CDMA2000. Then we'll all be discussing 4G (and I've heard rumblings that even 5G is being studied).

You love Verizon, great. I think they are a good company too. I happen to think ATT is a more customer focused.

Please don't take my comments as a negative. I'm nobody special and am not trying to squash your vigor for Verizon. But, you've said "I love Verizon" in more ways that I can slice bread. Can we move on to another point?

Kevin

 

Just the facts please....

The latest report has not yet been published. Here are the last two years:

<u>2001 JDPowers:</u>
ATT took 13 markets
Verizon took 8

<u>2000 JDPowers:</u>
ATT: 9 markets
Verizon: 9 markets

Again, I am glad you like Verizon. I recommend it where it seems appropriate. But there are so many other topics in this wide world of wireless. Please join us in those discussions.

Thanks,
Kevin

 

Apoc,

I have At&T service and I don't have any problems and I can routinely get through to the Cust Service people. I can't speak first hand about Verizon but I think you need to be open to the idea that other carriers have strengths that surpass Verizon and conversely Verizon has things they surpass other carriers.

Bottom line, keep an open mind and try to not only educate us about Verizon but also receive an education about other carriers.

 

I think that it all comes down to where you will be doing most of your traveling. I know that certin places that I go cdma is better because there is no tdma network in place.
For me a CDMA carrior works better because everywere that I travel there is cdma coverage.

Jack

 

Apoc,

You forgot to mention that Dobson wireless is moving to GSM/GPRS.

"TDMA- AT&T Wireless intro. to market- 1989 creates a cust gain of 800,000 people they still con't to domainate the market."

-- What's your point on this? Verizon is a combination of several carriers combined into one and created a huge single wireless company. So what's your point about Verizon being the biggest wireless carrier in the nation?

If you want to know how excellent wireless coverage is then go visit Finland, France or Germany and you'll see how good their GSM coverage and service is.

You also made a reference to newcomer Voicestream's (GSM Carrier) problems but yet failed to mention that Sprint PCS (CDMA carrier) has also faced lots of coverage and capacity issues too in the past 3 years as they try to "build their network from the ground up."

Apoc, can I explain something here to you?
- Verizon and Sprint PCS are migrating in phases to CDMA2000.
- AT&T, Cingular and Voicestream will eventually all be GSM/GPRS (Voicestream is already GSM).

Now, GSM carriers will be migrating eventually to wCDMA. CDMA is CDMA and both types of implementation still requires patent royalties to Qualcomm. CDMA is a form of a spread-sprectrum air interface in which both CDMA2000 and wCDMA is based upon. But if we examine things just a wee bit closer, CDMA2000 is still considered a narrow-band implementation of CDMA, whereas wCDMA is a
wide-band implementation of CDMA.

So Apoc, look at the bigger picture please...AT&T and Cingular are not migrating to GSM and stopping there...the ultimate near future goal now for GSM carriers is wCDMA (3G) implementation.

So you are jumping up and down with joy for nothing! All carriers will eventually migrate to a form of CDMA, albeit two different standard forms of it! The real question then becomes CDMA2000 versus wCDMA implementation.

Some people say that CDMA2000 is easier and more cost-effective to implement for current CDMA carriers but then some people say that GSM dominates the world market and will eventually have a huge chunk of the business in the US (between AT&T, Cingular, Voicestream, Dobson) and therefore wCDMA will be the dominating standard and therefore reap the benefits of economies of scale. We shall see what happens.

 

Apoc, you are making weird comments! Verizon #1 in the world? I don't know why you're making such comments.

Listen, it's fine making comments concerning your experiences with Verizon service and why you think they are good in particular regions in the country but can you please cool down on the "OH I LOVE VERIZON SOOO MUCH!" slogan?

Oh oh I love Verizon soooo much! Mua! Mua! And I love their big big CDMA nationwide service! They are sooo big! And even though big mama Vodafone is GSM/GPRS, I still loooove my big CDMA boy!

That's what you're starting to sound like.

 

Apoc, you sound more like the little kid. I have nothing against Verizon and they do have great national coverage. But what I'm saying is that it's funny when someone keeps coming out with "Verizon is #1" out of their ___. You wanna be nice? Do you think it would be nice if the smartest student or best player keeps saying "Ya I'm #1" over and over again? No, it'd be damn irritating and it's exactly what you're trying to do.

Your last message just proved my point again.

 

"Of course if I was #1 one I would make it known to myself first and than to everyone"
-- That's fine I guess, if you gotta do what your psychiatrist tells you to do then you should follow his/her advice.

AT&T Wireless is the GREATEST!!!!

Verizon is big but so is Microsoft!!!! Do people view Microsoft as the best software company? Hahaha, Hell no!

 

The ONLY company to build a nationwide network without any help such as acquisitions and mergers is Sprint PCS. They do it the hardcore way not the easy way like Cingular and Verizon! Oh I suppose you could throw Nextel in there as well. They've done the same as Sprint for the most part.

 

Isn't Sprint PCS just affiliates all tied into one PCS umbrella along with the mother ship? To save Sprint time and money they signed affiliates to build their networks to conform with Sprint's in return for a cut of the action without the overhead of customer service centers, marketing, and such. But Sprint maintains control of the licenses which they could take away any day if they wanted to.

Merger wise look for every company to start hooking up more with each other now that the government lifted the cap limits. I wouldn't be surprised to see the CDMA carriers combining and the TDMA/GSM carriers hooking up with one another. The wireless industry, in the U.S., started with two carriers per zone and will end up back to that point after all is said.

 

Arround here Sprint and Verizon share many of the same towers....but they run on different CDMA frequencies.

 

Why would anyone want TDMA??? Look at the future of Cellular. By now we know that Cingular and AT&T(PCS) will be converting from the TDMA system to the GSM system and in the end incorperate CDMA into the mix.

 

mcf04581,

Why don't you also ask the question, why would anyone want AMPS?

AMPS and TDMA are going to be around for a long time to come, they are legacy networks.

I would want my wireless phone to support both technologies, so my phone will work wherever I am.

Hman

 

Hman,

You are wrong in saying that TDMA will continue to be around. Att and Cingular have already leaked information that in the end, if their company survives the switch to GSM, they ultimatly want to convert to a CDMA service with a GSM backbone. Now true AMPS will probably be around for some time to come, but did you know that there are probably only about 5000 AMPS towers left in America, and I know that Verizon is converting an average of 500 a year to digital service. If you add in all the companies that are doing the same, soon AMPS will soon be a thing of the past!

 

I think I read somewhere the FCC is mandating carriers support AMPS for at least the next 15 years.

Thousands of OnStar equiped vehicles use 3 watt AMPS transceivers to communicate.

I believe UPS and FedEx also use AMPS to send and receive package data.

AMPS is the "GSM" of North America. Meaning it is the only standard that is available everywhere in North America, like GSM is available everywhere in Europe.

Hman