T-Mobile and 3G

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I would also recommend this: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/ as it has the full info on the bands to be used by T Mobile and how they differ from the rest.

 

yes........T-Mobile participated in the FCC's auction and they have licenses for 1700 and 2100..........also..........before the auction they already had their New York UMTS network set uyp.......they had to just turn it on......they were really that confident that they were gonna get the licenses........but i think the date they have planned for the completion of the rollout is somewhere at the end of 2008..........and they dont even have any 3G phones yet..........3G over in Europe uses the same bands sometimes but the frequencies that T-Mobile is licensed for are calibrated differently and therefore the phone manufacturers have to make new phones that work on these altered frequencies

 

exactly and this is where I wonder how many manufacturers are going to jump and start producing that band width radio for T mobile especialy when T mobile finaly started to accept the 850 band so they can roam on it. So we now have 4 3G bands and lets see which chipset manufacturer will be the first to implement this. Another aspect is that I would think the US cell phone market will then be limited to the US UMTS bands and we would have to forget about having the Euro one on the handsets (like some of the handests that are being sold now) so that would result in us not being able to roam on the Int'l UMTS bands.

 

exactly.........the handset would have to be capable of 2 different 1700s and 2 2100s........and then they would have to add the 850/900/1800/1900........for GSM international capabilities.........too many frequencies......but T-Mobile's claims say that wherever they have home network available they will have UMTS.......so they might make one that is like.........850/1700/1900/2100.........that will cover all of T-Mobile's GSM and UMTS network as well as 1900 and 850 roaming......thats all a regular consumer would need......

 

Didn't Qualcomm release a chip that can be tweaked to accept w/e frequency the manufactor of the phone wants, it technically doesnt take up much more room in the phone. But knowing Qualcomm the royalties on the chip will probably be high. A T-Mobile rep at CES told me that they plan to release phones along with the NY City network in May.

 

I don't think it is up to T mobile for what cip is used by which manufacturer. The amnufacturer uses what they use and then T mobil has to accept it untill they get one manufacturer that will do so. That is unless T Mobile asks for a specific phone which will be made specificaly for them and I wonder how high the costs on that one would be.

 

is Qualcomm making GSM phones???.......and if not becuase i know that they deal with CDMA a lot..........will they start shariing that chip with manufacturers because if they do.....the GSM man ufacturers could make a lot of money....:twocents:

 

Qualcome is not making GSM phones they are only making a chip that is supposed to have the quad and can be adapted to what ever UMTS band via progrmaing. So they say.

 

but the manufacturers of GSM phones would have to adopt this chip in order for T-Mobile to be of use of it ...........but now that T-Mobile is working on all of these different frequencies..............now would be a very good time to introduce it

 

Couldn't T-Mobile tell the manufacturers that they need to use the chip? I bet all the phone makers miss the days of just working with dual or tri frequencies.

 

if they are going to make a 850/1900/1700/2100 then they will have to make it like U.S. only because there would need to be 2 forms of 1700 and 2100 because there are variations.............then they would have to include 1900 and 850 for US gsm and 900 1800 for europe GSM thats 6 for US GSM and UMTS and Europe GSM but it would be 8 band for Europe UMTS also

 

And then later add the 700 (or is it the 400?) band that some other countries are experimenting with now.

 

Ive heard its in the range of 700 to 750.

 

The next auction for here is going to be in the 700 band, I am not sure about other countries.

 

what are the auctionees that are going to contend for that frequency........surely after adding UMTS Cingular might go for it because they do UMTS and GSM on both 1900 and 850.........T-Mobile won't need it because they now have licenses in 3 frequencies and have roaming capabilities on 850..........Cingular might go for it for some extra backhaul at some towers that get congested like in major metro areas...........or maybe Sprint would go for it cuz they only have one frequency to work with.......Verizon has 2 and they dont really need morte from what i hear

 

I thought Verizon did buy some of the 1700/2100 spectrum too! Don't forget even Cingular bought some too but no one knows what they bought them for.

 

but T-Mobile bought the most..........they bought so much that they can cover their GSM network with UMTS/HSDPA completely...........and now that I think about it Sprint might actually be the one who's giong to need it more..........when they finish the EV-DO Rev A upgrade........the Nextel customers will be pooring over...........they'll see reviews and all kinds of stuff and the marketing will taint them.........and this will cause a lot of network congestion..........when Cingular bought AT&T..........i dont think they were ready for all of the customers that they were receiving or any of the customers that they were expecting to have because they got more customers than they bargained for and Consumer Reports said that of all the wireless carriers..........Cingulars main problem is that their circuits can get congested very quickly........especially on those instantaneous holidays like New Years Eve.........never could call any of my Cingular buds cuz their towers were jammed........but making calls out with a Nextel in ____eysville, MA was easy.........went through n questions asked.........Cingular has more customers than their network can handle in some areas of the U.S.

 

From the way it looks right now, if it keeps going Sprint could end up loosing all the Nextel customers based on their net loss for the 4th qtr. and by the time they are done it might be way too late to win them over again.

 

true dat but they are doing the Rev A upgrade so quickly.........why dont they introduce the new Q Chat phones and the service in all of the areas that already ahve Rev A.........it could be a chance to keep all of those Nextel customers.......

 

If I remember correctly, Verizon got most of the country from the auction, but T-Mobile spent the most for their coverage. Cingular was like the 4th biggest buyer behind the cable company group.

 

why does a cable company need wireless spectrum?

 

I don't remember all of them, I believe it was 3 or 4 that joined with Sprint to have a company that bought spectrum in this auction as a Joint Venture I know Comcast is one.
They are looking at offering wireless service with the other phone,internet & TV as a Quad play.

They just haven't decided which way to go with it yet, but I am guessing they are expecting to gain more customers & if the cable companies decide to end the JV with Sprint & buy them out, they could start their own wireless company.

 

the FCC would not go for that........there have been too many mergers already..........FCC will not approve another........almost guaranteed.......and yes i did hear abvout the joint venture..........it just doesnt make much sense for the cable companies to get wireless spectrum.........

its ironic......cable companies getting wireless spectrum

 

Actualy they are the cable companies want to compete against teh likes of VZ and AT&t and that would give them the way to compete in a fair manor and not jsut be stck with only Cable phone, cable and internet. The FCC has no way in not allowing that especialy when they talk about making money for the spectrum sold and creating competition.

 

they are just trying to keep the wireless companies in there place.........cuz you know that makes a lot of sense :badidea: :lmao:

and you cant forget that AT&T and Sprint both have very formidable backbones

 

Maybe they will form their own wireless company & become the next National carrier to compete with the big 4. Another scenario is they buy Alltel & use both spectrums to be a large National carrier.

They want to do it, to compete with the wireline companies & it's a good thing to see competition.

 

Some European countries were testing GSM & CDMA on 450MHz. One nice thing about using 1800/900/450 is that all three frequencies can be done with a single transmitter and some "frequency division" adapter. In the US I believe individual transmitters for different frequencies have to be installed.

 

That figures, the US has to make it harder & more expensive.

Are they still testing the 450 in those countries?