Welcome to Our WirelessAdvisor Community!

You are viewing our forums as a GUEST. Please join us so you can post and view all the pictures.
Registration is easy, fast and FREE!

Sprint biggest looser to Verizon & AT&T in Mobile wars

Discussion in 'Wireless News' started by Fire14, Oct 29, 2007.

  1. Fire14

    Fire14 Easy,Cheap & Sleazy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2002
    Messages:
    8,446
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    293
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Union County NJ
    My Phone:
    EnV
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon
    Verizon, AT&T neck and neck in mobile wars

    When it comes to the wireless-phone business, there's AT&T Inc. and Verizon Wireless - and then there's everyone else.

    The two phone giants continue to dominate the U.S. mobile business, with each growing at remarkably similar rates. And a large chunk of their growth has come at the expense of Sprint Nextel Corp., which forced out its chief executive this month because of weak growth.

    Verizon Communications, which posted third-quarter results Monday, said revenue in its mobile business rose 14.4%, with an operating profit margin of 27.1% excluding onetime items. Sales from data services such as email and air cards climbed more than 63%.

    AT&T's results, issued last week, were like a mirror image of Verizon. Mobile revenue also rose precisely 14.4%, with an operating profit margin of 26.4%. What's more, revenue from data services grew - you guessed it - more than 63%.

    The biggest difference between the two companies is that Verizon caters to more retail customers directly than AT&T and its subscribers are more loyal. That explains why Verizon generates higher sales from its mobile division ($11.3 billion) than AT&T ($10.9 billion) even though AT&T has more customers. AT&T holds a 2-million advantage, 65.7 million to 63.7 million.

    Almost all of Verizon's customers belong in the so-called postpaid category. That is, customers who sign up for annual plans and pay at the end of each month. They are the most profitable and most valuable in the industry.

    In the third quarter, for instance, Verizon added a net 1.6 million mobile customers, almost of whom were signed up directly by the company through retail arrangements. On average, they paid $52.17 a month for wireless service, a record high for Verizon.

    AT&T added 2 million net customers in the third quarter, but a smaller 1.2 million were postpaid retail subscribers. The company's average revenue per user also totaled a smaller $50.82 a month.

    AT&T has sharply improved its wireless service over the past year, boosting margins and adding customers at a faster clip. The company has gotten a big lift from the introduction of the iPhone, adding 900,000 accounts in the third quarter for subscribers who bought Apple Inc.'s device. AT&T is the sole distributor of the iPhone via a multi-year agreement with Apple.

    Yet Verizon executives say the iPhone has had little impact on their wireless business, whose customer service ranks No. 1 or No. 2 in almost every major U.S. market.

    "On the iPhone question, we have seen minimal impact in the iPhone thus far," Verizon President Denny Strigl said on a conference call with analysts Monday. He point to the company's flat year-over-year churn rate as evidence.

    Churn reflects the percentage of customers who cancel service and indicates a company's success in satisfying subscribers. Verizon's churn rate registered an industry low 1.21% in the third quarter, compared to 1.7% for AT&T.

    The biggest loser in the wireless wars is Sprint , the No. 3 mobile operator. Sprint has already said it expects to lose 337,000 net postpaid customers in the third quarter, putting its losses in that category at more than 1.03 million over the past five quarters.

    It's not AT&T and Verizon who are taking customers from Sprint, analysts say. T-Mobile USA Inc. and Alltel Corp, the No. 4 and No. 5 mobile operators in the U.S., have also been taking a bite out of Sprint.

    Verizon, AT&T neck and neck in mobile wars - MarketWatch
     
  2. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    Interesting that even with the iPhone AT&T is unable to attain a higher ARPU than Verizon and a higher retail net addition. Sprint needs to get on the ball, though, and they slowly seem to be progressing, which is good.
     
  3. RJB

    RJB Gold Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,069
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    99
    Likes Received:
    37
    My Phone:
    iPhone
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T
    Not here,,,,,,,,,,,,,
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    LOL, and you just got to experience this again first hand. ;)

    Honestly,though the online ESN changer and moving CS to the States are great first moves.
     
  5. RJB

    RJB Gold Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,069
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    99
    Likes Received:
    37
    My Phone:
    iPhone
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T
    Um yeah I have ensemble and no where do I see an online esn changer
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    Are you serious?! I thought the ESN changes was supposed to happen with Ensemble.
     
  7. RJB

    RJB Gold Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,069
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    99
    Likes Received:
    37
    My Phone:
    iPhone
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T
    It could be there be I am not seeing it.
     
  8. Fire14

    Fire14 Easy,Cheap & Sleazy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2002
    Messages:
    8,446
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    293
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Union County NJ
    My Phone:
    EnV
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon

    I think part of the reason is Verizon's data plans are cheaper then AT&T's. I only have the choice of a 1MB for $4.99 or Unlimited for $19.99 per line. I just got the 1MB for my line only. With Verizon for $15.00 you have unlimited & that's a difference to people.
     
  9. Jay2TheRescue

    Jay2TheRescue Resident Spamslayer
    Super Moderator Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    12,405
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    158
    Likes Received:
    438
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    My Phone:
    Pixel 4a 5G
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&Tingular 310-410
    Talk to your local dealer. Mine says she can get me back on my old 5mb $9.99 plan if I wanted, but now that I have the Tilt I think my data is going to go up.

    -Jay
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  10. Steve B

    Steve B Bronze Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    Messages:
    879
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    My Phone:
    iPhone 12 Pro Max
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless
    Not here either.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  11. Steve B

    Steve B Bronze Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    Messages:
    879
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    My Phone:
    iPhone 12 Pro Max
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless
    I can't see it either.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  12. RadioFoneGuy

    RadioFoneGuy Powered by HTC FUZE
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,235
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    6
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Everywhere.
    My Phone:
    Nokia 6103, 6010, 2260
    Wireless Provider(s):
    The death star formally known as Cell One.
    Sprint is a great Carrier with a Good network (corporate network that is) but have a crappy rap from affliate companies and a aweful add campaign.

    They need to show hikers up on a mountain with a generator, TV, XBox and a EV-DO aircard playing Halo 3 online. 1 to show coverage and 2 to display speed of the network.

    The current adds seem crusty and geared toward traveling businessmen at a rave party and waving around a glow stick. Just kidding but they need a new add campaign.
     
  13. Fire14

    Fire14 Easy,Cheap & Sleazy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2002
    Messages:
    8,446
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    293
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Union County NJ
    My Phone:
    EnV
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon

    Thanks Jay I will give it a shot, I tried when I called CS & they said it wasn't or they would have given it to me. I just don't want to mess it up where I loose the unlimited shared SMS plan I have, which i almost did trying to get it setup thru OLAM with the 1MB.
     
  14. larry

    larry Sprint loyalist and former mod
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    13,723
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    165
    Likes Received:
    56
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    My Phone:
    Galaxy S22+
    Wireless Provider(s):
    T-Mobile
    Sprint's situation is not really about affiliates but more about failure to market their service properly, customer service problems, IDEN problems and lack of cool and trendy new phones. Some of the problems are also based more on perception than reality. Some of the the bad press is deserved and some is not. They've started to turn things around and I already see improvements happening all over the place. However I don't think it's going to do much good because of the perception issues. Many people have already made up their minds no matter how good Sprint can become and that's too bad.
     
  15. RadioFoneGuy

    RadioFoneGuy Powered by HTC FUZE
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,235
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    6
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Everywhere.
    My Phone:
    Nokia 6103, 6010, 2260
    Wireless Provider(s):
    The death star formally known as Cell One.
    They have had a few cool phones (blackberry world addition, fusiq, katana etc) but dont really shove them down your throat like a Moto V3, Iphone, Chocolate etc.

    I know your a Sprint diehard so no offense but I wonder if they changed the name of the company if it would help. Kinda similar to Ford dropping the 500 and calling what it is, a Taurus.

    HMMM if the Ford 500 is a Taurus then the Chevy Kobalt would be a Cavalier? I think I should apply to Jeopardy.

    I would rather Sprint changes its name then the actually company itself disappear.

    Synergy wireless services maybee.
     
  16. Jay2TheRescue

    Jay2TheRescue Resident Spamslayer
    Super Moderator Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    12,405
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    158
    Likes Received:
    438
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    My Phone:
    Pixel 4a 5G
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&Tingular 310-410
    Yeah, but Ford is dropping the 500 and calling it a Taurus again...


    -Jay
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  17. RadioFoneGuy

    RadioFoneGuy Powered by HTC FUZE
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,235
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    6
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Everywhere.
    My Phone:
    Nokia 6103, 6010, 2260
    Wireless Provider(s):
    The death star formally known as Cell One.
    I know thats were I got the idea from lol
     
  18. larry

    larry Sprint loyalist and former mod
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    13,723
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    165
    Likes Received:
    56
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    My Phone:
    Galaxy S22+
    Wireless Provider(s):
    T-Mobile
    Yes they did have a few good phones but didn't know how to market them properly.

    Also yes I hate to say it but I think I agree. Maybe they should change the name. That might be the only way to smooth things over. I doubt that will ever happen but it's still an idea.
     
  19. moogle10000

    moogle10000 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    21
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    My Phone:
    Sanyo 8200
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Sprint, Together With Nextel (PCS)
    Sprint simply fails to realize that they must invest money in their network first and foremost. They have been working very diligently towards a very "powerful" data network... Which they have, more or less. However, the improvement of their voice network is lacking. Phoenix is still a very large growing city, (even after the housing bubble burst...) and Sprint has failed to anticipate the growth. As a result, there are *many* new areas that simply do not have coverage. Alltel is about the only option for those people as they have the best geographic coverage...

    As a long time Sprint customer, coverage hasn't really improved in 5+ years... The only carrier that I hear of that has improved coverage is AT&T... I have several friends who've said that they didn't have any coverage when they first moved into their houses and then all of a sudden they do... So go figure.
     
  20. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    And that's because the AT&T network needed it (and in fact still needs it in some areas).
     
  21. larry

    larry Sprint loyalist and former mod
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    13,723
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    165
    Likes Received:
    56
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    My Phone:
    Galaxy S22+
    Wireless Provider(s):
    T-Mobile
    Come on Moogle please tell me you're joking. 76 new sites picked up in the Qwest deal in the Phoenix market alone. 40+ brand new CDMA only sites from scratch since 2003. Another 35+ they got from the Nextel deal as synergy sites now active and you say they haven't improved in 5 years?? So I guess you're trying to say that Sprint just wasted their money putting up over 150 new sites since 2003 in the Phoenix area because it didn't make one bit of difference. LOL! Phoenix is actually a very strong market for Sprint and they do very well there (I have inside sources that tell me where they excell and where they don't). NO chance any other carrier has made more improvements than Sprint since 2003 in the greater Phoenix area.

    Now if you were to tell me they haven't made many improvements in Salt Lake City and other Utah markets I might be inclined to believe you because it's somewhat true right Andy? :D I don't have any stats on Utah but I do on Phoenix.
     
    #21 larry, Nov 2, 2007
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2007
  22. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    Haha, yes that is somewhat true. They have filled in some weak areas in the valley, but their network still needs help, which, hopefully, will happen sooner or later by adding CDMA to existing NEXTEL sites.
     
  23. larry

    larry Sprint loyalist and former mod
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    13,723
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    165
    Likes Received:
    56
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    My Phone:
    Galaxy S22+
    Wireless Provider(s):
    T-Mobile
    Better hope those existing Nextel sites have room for the CDMA equipment or they will never happen. There have been a few here in CA that got canned because of lack of room. But luckily most of them around here had enough room.
     
  24. Andy

    Andy Diamond Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,281
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    130
    Likes Received:
    7
    My Phone:
    HTC Thunderbolt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, Vodafone D2, Solomo, Swisscom Mobile
    I'm sure Sprint will come up for something in areas they really need to get on those NEXTEL sites.
     

Share This Page

Copyright 1997-2023 Wireless Advisor™, LLC. All rights reserved. All registered and unregistered trademarks are the property of their respective holders.
WirelessAdvisor.com is not associated by ownership or membership with any cellular, PCS or wireless service provider companies and is not meant to be an endorsement of any company or service. Some links on these pages may be paid advertising or paid affiliate programs.

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice