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Signal trouble...help please

Discussion in 'Northeastern US Wireless Forum' started by phoenity, Jul 21, 2006.

  1. phoenity

    phoenity New Member

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    My problem started a couple days ago when I was unable to get sufficient signal in my home. I have never had any problems getting service in my home, and there are two other Verizon phones that have no problem.


    At first I thought my phone was broken (it's been dropped a few times) as I couldn't call out or receive calls at home that evening. I pulled out an old cell phone and did an ESN change on Verizon's website and still had the same problems. Tried this process on two old phones that had worked fine previously.

    My brother and I have the same phone (Samsung A850). That evening he was getting full signal while I had none. Still convinced it was a device issue I decided I would do an ESN change to his phone and try it.

    As with the other phones I tried previously, full signal as I dial *228 to activate. Once the phone reboots and comes back, I'm back to where I started with no signal.

    To summarize my problem, I performed ESN changes from my number to three different known working phones and my signal problem still persists. I put my brother's number on my phone and it gets full signal. I also find it's strange that I can go a half mile out of my neighborhood and there is no problem with my phone.

    IMO, I have significantly troubleshooted to the point of proving that my problem is not in the device, but rather something in Verizon's network or an outside interference. Personally I don't know much about cell networks to troubleshoot any further. A call to Verizon customer service led me to a dead end when they told me my phone was the problem and to have it checked my a technician. It's hard to tell the tech you have a problem with your phone when you've got full signal in their store.

    I am convinced there is a problem with Verizon's network or outside interference. Is there existing technology that something could be interfering with my specific phone number? I know that sounds far-fetched, but that's what seems to be happening when I'm in my home.

    If I can't receive service in my home then the service is basically useless to me. I don't think I have grounds to cancel my contract but I'm certainly going to be giving them trouble until they either let me out or fix my problem.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?
     
  2. MeatChicken

    MeatChicken Senior Member
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    It could be the Freq Channel your fone "hashes" to . That freq channel is determined by your phone number, so doing an ESN change would not help, and as you notice any phone that ends up with your mobile number has the problem.
    They should then be able to get a tech out to that cell site to correct the problem, but you have to speak to a support rep that understands channel hashing.. Also , if they change your mobile number to one that hashes to a different channel, that would solve your problem too (but not fix that channel in that cell site)..
     
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  3. dmarkson

    dmarkson New England Wireless Guru
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    Yes, that is quite annoying. I have several phones that can "hit" Verizon, and each one ends on a different channel, with varying signal strength. My closest tower gives a -75 dBm signal, but each phone then goes off to some other channel, and some can only get -90 dBm which is not that great.

    I have noticed even after changing phone numbers the phone still ends up on the same channel, so its more than just the phone number.

    Out of the five phones I can hit Verizon CDMA with (I won't go into why I have that many LOL), I get:
    384 (excellent), 425(excellent), 466 (okay), 548 (fair), 589 (fair)
    That also makes it difficult to compare phones RF capability.
     
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    bobolito Diamond Senior Member
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    In that case, how does an inactive phone (which does not have a phone number) selects which channel to stay on?

    Sorry, but I am an ignorant when it comes to CDMA. ;)
     
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  5. dmarkson

    dmarkson New England Wireless Guru
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    I did some testing, and sure enough, the phone number alone, seems to select a specific channel.

    I tried various combinatsions with NAM1, and the channel always followed the phone number, regardless of what phone I used (and I have several).

    Using a different NAM yields a different channel number, so that comes into play somehow as well.

    It does not matter if the phone number is valid, its just used as part of the algorithm.
     
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  6. mframe

    mframe Senior Member
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    I wonder how much of the phone number has to be different? Maybe just the last number? Just wondering if it is related to the ACCOLC parameter (which is usually set to the last number of the phone number). Even though it is not currently used for priority communications, it would seem logical that that value would have an effect on channel used. Maybe someone could try changing it in long-programming mode (but not the phone number), and see if it makes a difference.
     
  7. phoenity

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    Appreciate the help guys...I knew it had to be something to do with my phone number though I didn't know enough about cell networks to know exactly how it was affected.

    I finally ended up having to change my phone number since it would have been too difficult to find the source of the interference.
     
  8. MeatChicken

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    Even an inactive fone has zeros (if new), or the old number, or somesuch as a "number" before it is programmed.
    The system then hashes it to a channel.
    A call attempt will cause an ESN mismatch in an inactive fone & that will route the call to an error message or roam company.
     
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  9. snakebreak

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    I had exactly the same problem with Verizon back around Jun 20.

    It took me multiple calls, the last one taking two hours to convince them they had a problem.

    Once they finally logged it as a trouble ticket, and gave me the tt #, it took them 2 weeks to get around to fixing it.

    When I called them back ( after the phone starting working again ) to inquire what the problem was, the CR rep. said a "card" was replaced.

    Sounds like you have it resolved, but if I could help by digging up the TT # , let me know.
     

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