Welcome to Our WirelessAdvisor Community!

You are viewing our forums as a GUEST. Please join us so you can post and view all the pictures.
Registration is easy, fast and FREE!

Samsung vs. Apple Court Battle-Royale

Discussion in 'Wireless News' started by RadioRaiders, Aug 16, 2012.

?

What do you think about the trial?

  1. Apple's patents and ideas were stolen, give them $2.5 billion

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. The trial is frivilous crap that should have been thrown out at the start

    11 vote(s)
    91.7%
  3. Who cares?

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  1. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Surprised nobody posted about this here. Things are getting slow lately without any "fanboys" to stir the pot ;) The trial is wrapping up this week, I believe. For those who haven't heard, just Google "apple samsung trial", you'll see Apple is suing Samsung for alleged copyright violations and generally copying the iPhone design to the tune of $2.5 billion. :lmao::loony::googlyeye

    Personally, I have seen both phones, and they have pretty much zero similarities. I've seen some details Apple brought up in court, and to me they look ridiculous. Pretty much all phones have some similar features. All laptops as well. If you covered the logo on any phone or laptop, I'm not sure I could definitively tell you who made it. But these are kind of the silly things the lawyers are nit-picking in the court room. And the judge seems to be getting sick of it as well, with today's "you're smoking crack" comment to an Apple lawyer :p

    Anyway, I'm kind of shocked this crap made it into a courtroom int he first place, but hey it is a California courtroom, and hey, it is Apple, so... who knows, it's a crap shoot. The judge advised Apple and Samsung lawyers to hash something out between themselves, but nothing doing, snakes and sharks don't play well together.

    The trial is wrapping up soon, should be interesting to see the outcome. The last high-profile California trial I watched was the OJ trial, so I have no doubt justice will be served...or severed...whatever...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    1 person likes this.
  2. JFB

    JFB Gold Senior Member
    Administrator Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,024
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    7
    Likes Received:
    816
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    My Phone:
    Samsung S21 5G
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Mint Mobile
    Its a little hard to vote without knowing all the facts(like the jury), but I'll vote that Apple won't get paid.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #2 JFB, Aug 16, 2012
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2012
  3. charlyee

    charlyee Ultimate Insanity
    Super Moderator Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2002
    Messages:
    9,906
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    135
    Likes Received:
    1,586
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    My Phone:
    iPhone X
    Wireless Provider(s):
    at&t/Airtel/Turkcell
    I feel sorry for the jury and the judge who have to sit through these inane lawsuits. Whoever wins it would just set precedence for more lawsuits but I would be surprised and disappointed if Apple does win.
    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  4. dmapr

    dmapr Silver Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    My Phone:
    Pixel XL
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless; MTS
    I hope that they're all thrown out of court.
     
  5. chimeraX

    chimeraX New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don’t know why Apple is suing Samsung. There is no use in it. Imagine if Apple wins the case and if Samsung gets irritated and stops supplying parts for Apple’s iPhone. Where can Apple get those important parts to make their iPhone? I think instead of suing Samsung they should settle down with a business deal.
     
  6. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    I agree. With this lawsuit, Apple is in effect biting the hand that feeds them. Samsung is already beyond irritated. The main reason the iPhone 5 is not in stores yet is because either Samsung is not delivering the parts they need, or Apple is looking for another supplier, but that's not quite so simple I would guess.

    Here's an article about it:
    Is Apple's Samsung Lawsuit Behind the iPhone 5 Release Delay? - International Business Times
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  7. ComicalMoodyDan

    ComicalMoodyDan Gold Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2001
    Messages:
    6,302
    Likes Received:
    53
    Location:
    Kingsport, TN
    My Phone:
    LG Volt
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Sprint
  8. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  9. charlyee

    charlyee Ultimate Insanity
    Super Moderator Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2002
    Messages:
    9,906
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    135
    Likes Received:
    1,586
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    My Phone:
    iPhone X
    Wireless Provider(s):
    at&t/Airtel/Turkcell
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  10. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    The author has a good point. Apple's marketing of an iPad/iPhone is that it's "unique and better" than the rest. But in the courtroom, Apple goes thru great pains to point out how identical the Samsung Galaxy phone/tablet is to their product. C'mon, you can't have it both ways ;)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  11. chimeraX

    chimeraX New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think this article should be read by Apple, their attorney and juries. No one in their good conscience will mistake Samsung tablet for an iPhone or iPad. Even if the best buy operative tries to convince Samsung tablet is iPad or iPhone may be a few who doesn’t know anything about Apple only believe (I don’t think it will ever happen). Apple is buying hardware parts from Samsung, so most of the time the design will look the same. Apple is still strong in the market. They don’t need to waste their time or money in stupid cases like this. I hope judge won’t punish Apple for filing stupid cases.
     
  12. chimeraX

    chimeraX New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0
    So Apple won the case, but there is no update in this thread. After Apple won the patent infringement case against Samsung Apple stock rises even more in Wall Street while Samsung stock fell by 7%. There are also speculations going around that Samsung products will be banned in US. Will Samsung products be banned? And there are lots of other speculations going around like Apple will enter cable box market soon by acquiring TiVo to compete against Google TV and Motorola boxes. Will the two giants clash against each other in all the fields? Any thoughts?
     
  13. JFB

    JFB Gold Senior Member
    Administrator Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1998
    Messages:
    5,024
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    7
    Likes Received:
    816
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    My Phone:
    Samsung S21 5G
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Mint Mobile
    Well I guess there will be an appeal, so it could be up in the air for a while.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  14. QLR

    QLR RIP Note!
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,004
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    47
    Likes Received:
    626
    My Phone:
    Samsung Galaxy S8+
    Wireless Provider(s):
    VZW, AT&T based Tracfone, T-Mobile
    Apple wants to ban 8 offending devices, most of whom aren't really supported or sold anymore ...
    Taken from Apple Asks Court to Ban 8 Samsung Phones (Phone Scoop)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  15. palandri

    palandri Former Palm Guy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    903
    Location:
    Chicago
    My Phone:
    Pixel 7
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Project Fi
    I've read that, but I have also read speculation that Apple will also go after newer devices which weren't part of the original lawsuit because they have the patent violation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the judge allows.
     
  16. charlyee

    charlyee Ultimate Insanity
    Super Moderator Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2002
    Messages:
    9,906
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    135
    Likes Received:
    1,586
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    My Phone:
    iPhone X
    Wireless Provider(s):
    at&t/Airtel/Turkcell
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  17. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    On the one hand, it looks like a short-term victory for Apple: $1 billion in hand and scaring Google that they will go after them next.
    On the other hand, the court rulings in other cases have been half-half, so I don't think Apple will get a KO every time. Plus Google holds alot of patents themselves after acquiring Motorola. So a long-term courtroom battle will probably result in a break-even. Well, the lawyers will win, as they always get paid win or lose. And customers will ultimately lose, as prices will rise to cover cost of the lawyers.

    Also, in the short-term, Apple is already to suffer repercussions, as Samsung is the world leader in screen production, and Apple has burned that bridge. If iPhone 5 isn't able to meet demand because of screen delays or problems, Apple could easily lose the $1 billion they just won. In other short-term news, Nokia/Microsoft and RIM/Blackberry got a boost from the lawsuit as well, as any negative news about Android is in their favor.

    So, really, there's so many dynamics, it's hard to say if this $1 billion was really a victory for Apple, or them backing themselves into a corner.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  18. dmapr

    dmapr Silver Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    My Phone:
    Pixel XL
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless; MTS
    If I'm Nokia I'm having a long hard look at any possible patent infringements by Apple. You know, now that the precedent is set... :)

    Also, I'm not sure it's specifically Android -- none of the Nexus devices is on the list. So maybe it's Samsung's TouchWiz or whatever the heck their thing they taint Android with is called :D
     
  19. dmapr

    dmapr Silver Senior Member
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    4,468
    Likes Received:
    1,181
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    My Phone:
    Pixel XL
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Verizon Wireless; MTS
  20. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Actually, I'm surprised Sony isn't suing Apple, considering the iPhone design looks strikingly similar to some of their designs. Samsung tried to enter this into court, but was refused for some reason:
    Sony_Phone_Wide.jpg


    DailyTech - Samsung: Apple's iPhone Started as Sony Ripoff
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  21. palandri

    palandri Former Palm Guy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    903
    Location:
    Chicago
    My Phone:
    Pixel 7
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Project Fi
    I read some article yesterday saying that Samsung would after Apple if the new iPhone has LTE, because Samsung owns part of the patent on LTE, but I can't find the article now.
     
  22. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Here it is. Nokia holds alot of LTE patents as well and I'm sure wouldn't mind taking a shot at Apple to see how much they can shake them down for, so Samsung may need to take a number when it comes to suing Apple ;)
    Samsung threatens to sue Apple if LTE device is released, report says - Tech Talk - CBS News

    Apple is also now going to try to ban the Samsung Galaxy III phone, even tho it wasn't included in the lawsuit :)confused:). I guess they just simply want to target a current and hot selling phone. Ironically, it's given the Galaxy III more press and buzz driving sales higher:

    Apple Targets Galaxy S III, Note in Latest Legal Action | PCWorld

    I think karma is going to catch up with Apple very quickly :wink: Once a company stops innovating and needs to punch successful competitors below the belt to stay on top, it's a pretty bad sign...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  23. palandri

    palandri Former Palm Guy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    903
    Location:
    Chicago
    My Phone:
    Pixel 7
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Project Fi
    Thanks for posting that link about the potential LTE lawsuit against Apple. I knew I had read it somewhere.
     
  24. KevinJames

    KevinJames WA's 1st retired mod
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    4,044
    Likes Received:
    739
    Location:
    Central Valley NorCA
    My Phone:
    Samsung S7-Edge
    Wireless Provider(s):
    AT&T & Verizon
    Although Samsung's appealing the court decision has already been mentioned, more information about the blatant miscarry of justice has also come to the fore. I thought I posted this elsewhere, but I can't find it. This rather lengthily article outlines a number of wrongs done. One of the most notable is that the instruction packet clearly indicated that any compensation made by Samsung to Apple was only to be what could be proven as real loss. They were not to punish. Yet the foreman was very clear that the jury wanted to "send a message to the industry" and wanted to make the penalty "painful" so that everyone would know that copying was bad and there made a scapegoat out of Samsung. (After bringing up the article, use the search feature and search for "Update 2"

    Groklaw - Jury in Apple v. Samsung Goofed, Damages Reduced -- Uh Oh. What's Wrong With this Picture? ~pj Updated 5Xs
     
    #24 KevinJames, Sep 4, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2012
    1 person likes this.
  25. palandri

    palandri Former Palm Guy
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,223
    Likes Received:
    903
    Location:
    Chicago
    My Phone:
    Pixel 7
    Wireless Provider(s):
    Project Fi
    interesting article. Thanks for posting tha!
     
  26. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Now Apple scored a court victory in Germany, and looks like Motorola will have to recall their products because of a bouncing scroll feature. Give me a break :loony:

    Motorola Mobility ordered to recall Android tablets and smartphones | Technology | guardian.co.uk
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  27. RadioRaiders

    RadioRaiders RF Black-Belt
    Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2007
    Messages:
    3,074
    Cell Tower Picture Gallery:
    1
    Likes Received:
    464
    Location:
    Undisclosed
    Wireless Provider(s):
    GSM / WCDMA /LTE
    Motorola strikes back:

    Motorola asks ITC to ban every Mac, iPad, and most iPhones | Ars Technica

     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...

Share This Page

Copyright 1997-2023 Wireless Advisor™, LLC. All rights reserved. All registered and unregistered trademarks are the property of their respective holders.
WirelessAdvisor.com is not associated by ownership or membership with any cellular, PCS or wireless service provider companies and is not meant to be an endorsement of any company or service. Some links on these pages may be paid advertising or paid affiliate programs.

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice