SEPARATED THE POSTS FROM THE "DEFECTION" THREAD STARTED BY TWX No patent infringement here. Apple would patent that you provide no external storage AND have sufficient internal capacity, up to 64Gb with the product. Samsung only did the one part....
Re: Defection Isn't there an iPhone 4S 16GB? Why would Apple release a latest-model phone with insufficient internal memory?
Re: Defection Given my 12.25GB free out of my 16GB it doesn't make me feel much more comfortable unless Apple changes the wording to "excessive" instead of "sufficient"
Yes, there is. And no, this is not insufficient amount of storage. I know a few people with the 16GB 4S that still have plenty of storage left. iCloud really does make it easy to manage memory on the iPhone. The 4S was also the first iPhone to offer 64GB of storage which is what I went with. Sent from my iPhone 4S using Tapatalk.
Re: Defection I think the "sufficient" amount really depends what you are using your phone for. If it's just a few apps and pics, then 16GB, or even 8GB could be enough. But once you start using it as a media device, downloading things, etc, then memory starts to be an issue. I was fine with 8GB until I started using my phone as an mp3 player, then I stuck in a 16GB card and even maxed that out quickly. I don't understand why all phones don't have removable storage (ie: micro SDHC), it's so much more practical, as it lets you adapt your memory as you need it. Is there a reason why some phones don't have removable storage? Design? Cost?
I believe Apple did it this way to maintain the iPhones overall slim design. I'm fine with no removable storage because I still have 54.9GB free on my 4S. I think most people could live with a non removable storage device provided they start off with the right amount of memory for their needs. Sent from my iPhone 4S using Tapatalk.
Re: Defection Dmapr is just having fun, and I'm doing the same back. Don't take it too literally. Watch 'Big Bang Theory' much? Hey, as you know all too well, RR, Apple is all about giving consumer choices and that is why they offer 16, 32 and 64 Gb for memory. Since 64Gb is the largest microSD size one can get these days, it works. (Hint: this is my being sarcastic) I wish I knew why Samsung dropped the 32 Gb version. That is probably the most popular size. It's a nice phone, but 16Gb would be too small for my needs with such a nice phone. I have 32Gb,and I'm about 1/2 half full. But one learns to live within their means. And people buy what they think they need, by planning ahead with how much music they currently use.
Re: Defection Seriously, what I've heard was that iPhone has no removable storage for the same reason it doesn't have a removable battery and that is that Steve didn't like slits, slots, and such. That also explains why the SIM card drawer is almost impossible to see on the iPhone. Samsung, on the other hand makes absolutely no sense to me. One huge advantage of the removable storage is cost savings for the consumer if you don't have to pay for large capacity each time you upgrade your device. But even Nokia N9 doesn't have removable storage…
I found an interesting read in this link in regards to Google and the future use of SD cards: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Why-Google-wants-to-kill-SD-cards-and-whats-holding-them-back_id23986 Sent from my iPhone 4S using Tapatalk.
Re: Defection Yeah, I forgot about that little problem of having apps stored on the SD card in the early Android days. Good article.
Re: Defection I don't really agree with the premise of the article, I don't really think "Google is trying to get rid of SD slots" (at least I hope not) just because a couple of new phones don't have them. The hardware is not made by Google anyway, but Samsung, Motorola, etc. So it's their design choice. And a poor choice, if they remove the SD slot. I think this is a good summary: While I generally agree, it's better to have apps stored on internal memory, there is still no reason to do away with external memory. Apps can easily be forced to install to internal memory only, problem solved. And apps are generally small in terms of size, most are 5-10MB or less. The biggest apps I have installed are: Google Maps (11.4MB), Skype (9MB). My Milestone has 133MB of internal storage (yes, not even 1GB, gasp ), and I only recently had to shift some apps to my SD card like Angry Birds, and a couple of other apps that don't need to be constantly running (actually, only a few of my apps need to be constantly running). If a phone came with 8GB of internal memory that would be able to handle just about all the apps you could throw at it. I have a 16GB sd card, and that's basically for media, videos, mp3's, pictures, etc. Yea, I see Apple gives you two types of memory choices: "sufficient" (64GB), and "insufficient" (16GB, 32GB). Apple is all about choices as much as Communism is about giving people choices "In Soviet Union we had two TV channels. Channel 1 was Soviet propoganda, and on Channel 2 there was someone telling you to turn back to Channel1" (<-Yes, sarcasm ) ...as for memory, yes 64GB is probably max at the moment, but you know Moore's Law or whatever, next year 128GB will be the new 64GB. Not sure why having the freedom and flexibility of removable memory isn't in every phone (<-Serious, not sarcastic)
I am not understanding why you say the 16GB or 32GB is "insufficient". When it comes to memory on any phone be it Android or Apple, everyones needs are not the same. While 16GB might not be enough memory for you or I, it could be for the sports mom who just uses her phone to keep in touch with the kids and hubby or plan next weeks schedule. I'm sure it's enough for the teen who mostly uses his phone for games and texting, or the granny who hardly uses her phone at all... As for the 32GB iPhone, that is probably the sweet spot for most including myself when I had the iPhone 4. I still have it as a backup and after almost 2 years I still have 25GB of memory left... As I said in another post, memory on the iPhone really is a non issue since iCloud came out. Sent from my iPhone 4S using Tapatalk.
Re: Defection See: Flaming (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia PS-Yes, I agree with you, I've got 16GB and I'm fine with it
For your needs it seems.... Whoever sold you the phone should have discussed how you were going to use it, and do a better job at predicting your needs. Due to the Apple iPhones good resale history, I am sure you could always sell the 16GB that you have now and use the money to get the 32GB version. Sent from my iPhone 4S using Tapatalk.
Re: Defection Actually, there were 6 channels and there wasn't this sophisticated setup with channel 2 telling you to tune in to channel 1 The following joke explains. A man comes home and turns on the TV, notices Brezhnev giving a speech on channel 1. He flips to channel 2, sees the same speech. he goes on to 3, only to see the same speech yet again. He reaches for the channel button when his phone rings. He picks it up and hears a man say: "This is KGB. We dare you to flip the channel one more time..." If anybody is having trouble determining where the truth ends and the joke starts, it's at the point where the phone rings.
Even though I had removable SD cards and extra batteries for each of my Nokia's in the past, I do not miss at all having that feature on my iPhones. For my Nokia's, I bought one SD card, and never changed it. Definitely didn't like keeping track what was stored on my SD card or my internal memory. Having it transparent to me by Apple's design, is working out very well. No worry about getting the fastest SD card, etc. I'm sure one reason is that Apple didn't what people putting in slow micro SD cards. For batteries, I'd buy a spare with each new phone, only to have a useless spare 1.5 years later with a new Nokia...since the design casing didn't fit the new phone. A waste of at least $50 for the battery. Plus the disposal issue. With my life style, I had little need for the spare anyways. But I like having one. Now with my yearly upgrades with the iPHone, I sell my old iPHone at $50 to $100 profit, and pass it all on to another to enjoy. I do have a Morphie Juice Pack Air, but it is fitting my iP4 and iP4S, so will be a 2+ year spare. One advantage I didn't realize is this. When it is time to change the battery up, I don't lose a call. Since I just slip on the Morphie (or plug in my USB battery), I can remain on the call. With the Nokia, I had to shut the phone down, remove the back and replace the battery, and restart. So, don't miss the SD and battery access at all.