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Possible AT&T Long Lines Tower

Discussion in 'Cell Tower Hunting Club' started by jb198606, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. jb198606

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    This tower is located probably 15 to 20 miles from where I live. I thought you guys would enjoy taking a look at it. It looks like a cell phone company is also using it for there transceivers. This is the closest I can get to it. The tower is located on a hill and the road that goes to the tower has a gate across it.

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    Here is also a close up the top of the tower. If anyone knows info about AT&T Long Lines Towers or knows who the cell phone companies are that are using the tower. That would be great help.

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    American Tower owns alot of the old ATT towers now.

    There are a few websites about long lines on the net just google it.
     
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    Thanks for the reply, I have looked at some sites about long lines. It looks like you do work on cell sites. Do you know if some long line towers are still in use, or is it that cost is to high to remove them?
     
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    I would think that maybe they would keep these old towers around (even if not in use) in case a carrier happens to come along and use tower.

    I know that's the case where I am. I've never seen one of those long line towers in Canada, but I have seen a few old microwave towers that have been given a second life as a cell tower.

    But it could also have to do with the cost to remove them too.
     
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    There are a few towers like that near my house...they are pretty cool but they mainly house radio and TV antennas now or at least that's what I heard. They are pretty cool to see the towers from the past and how much we have advanced.
     
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    The ATT Long Lines network was shut down years ago, all that traffic got turned over to fiber optics or at the very least, digital microwaves. In the early 90's, ATT disposed of many of these sites and they were bought up primarily by American Tower, who also then disposed of a lot them and sold them off the independent tower operators.

    As for removal, a lot of the ATT Long Lines sites did have the conical horns removed, especially recently as new tenants moved in. For most of the sites, there were other people that wanted to utilize them after ATT moved out so there wasn't much of a reason to tear them down.
     
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    I know of a few that are still in use but not many and mainly due to the 1 know of serves an island.

    AT&T on this tower sold the tower to American even thou it still uses the microwaves.

    If you look at the Long Lines history even the big microwaves were converted to Digital awhile ago because they were running out of room.

    Before cable TV and Satellite AT&T use to pass the big networks feeds across the long lines.
     
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    Interesting. I'm not familiar with the term "Long Lines", but I do know "Long Haul" microwave links are alive and well. Ericsson/Marconi Long-Haul equipment goes up to STM-1/STM-4 (155Mbps/622Mbps) using 128 QAM modulation.

    http://www.telent.de/uploads/media/Marconi_LH_info_05.pdf

    Tellabs (former division of AT&T) also is producing similar equipment:

    http://www.siaemic.it/fileadmin/use..._-_SIAE_MW_-_Interoperability_Test_Report.pdf

    I don't know what bandwidth or modulation AT&T's "Long Lines" use, but generally speaking, there will always be a need for long-distance microwave links, and they are by no means "dead"... altho some of the outdated technologies may be, the new/updated long-haul microwave scene is alive and well ;)
     
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    I've always wanted to visit the sites closest to my house but I-87 happens to be in the way and the towers are on a hill that is 1,500 ft above my house. So I'm out of luck. :(
     
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    Well you can still take a picture of those. Either use the zoom on your camera, or just crop the picture when you take it home to edit it. Thats what I usually do.
     
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    I would had there not been a hill in my line of sight lol...I can only see them on my way from the mall to my house. So next time I go to the mall I will bring my camera.
     
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    "Long Lines" was the name ATT gave to it's old nationwide microwave system. As a whole that system is dead and gone, it's original need was replaced by fiber optics and cheap satellite time. Considering the average path had a capacity of approximately 3000 VF channels, it isn't hard to see why it was replaced with fiber optics that have capacities of in excess of 38000 VF channels, per strand, and that's on the low end.

    What you're referring to is still alive and well here in America, but it see's fairly limited deployments, certainly no nationwide network like ATT or Western Union used to have. You primarily see it now going to "remote" communities or locations.
     
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    Ah, yea, sure, fibre optics is cheap and high capacity, and the transmission media of choice now-a-days. High cap MW will always have it's place, but yea, for sure not as the main media for transmission. More niche things, like remote links, or other places where laying fibre isn't practical or cost effective. Didn't know about the AT&T "Long Lines" legacy. Interesting.
     
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    well there is a long lines ( or what used to be) tower near my new house in Connecticut but my parents wont drive me there so I have no way to visit the site :(. Maybe soon I will get them to take me up there. Its six minutes from my house by driving and walking there is out of the question because there is a huge hill that is really long...and my mom wont let me cross the busy streets that are on the way.
     
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    There are two ways to quickly find out data about the remaining AT&T towers. First way is to go to the website AntennaSearch - Search for Cell Towers, Cell Reception, Hidden Antennas and more.. The other way is to go to the American Tower site which you can google. All of these towers have either FCC or American Tower registration numbers, sometimes they have both, but with a little digging you will come up with complete data, including photos, specs, coordinates, etc. on almost any tower site. On antennasearch you just put in the street or road for the tower and you'll get back more data than you can ever use.

    One reason that American Tower buys and maintains the old towers is that the towers are moneymakers for them, so in other words it's just pure good business. The proliferation of LMR, cellular and other radio services over the past few years has made these old tower locations very valuable. If you want to install any kind of new radio transmitter it's much less paperwork and red tape if you're just putting an antenna on an existing tower rather than getting all the permissions and studies required these days to put up a completely new tower.

    Tom, W2NJS
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    Of course, "long-lines" referred to actual copper cables too, from many years ago. An interesting subject is the AUTOVON network of underground switching centers and cables developed during the Cold War, in case of nuclear attack. There was a site not too far from my home town, which always fascinated me. Here is a link about it.

    Chesterfield AT&T Site

    This shows the microwave tower at a CT site (perhaps what Gottachase was referring to).

    http://www1.shore.net/~mfoster/Cheshire.htm
     
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    No the site that i was reffering to is the Durham site...but i would assume that the Cheshire site is next in line.
     
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    AT&T's use of these very expensive microwave antennas, which are called cornucopia microwave antennas, was because of their excellent rejection of signals coming in from the sides of the antennas. Essentially, most microwave antennas can be overwhelmed by undesired sidelobe signals. The cornucopia antennas are highly resistant to these types of undesired signals.

    In 1982 used one of these antennas, laid on it side, as a satellite TV receive only antennas for a cable TV system in Orange County, California. Hard as hell to align; but dammed good performance.

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