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No Cingular 3G in Denver until 2007 b/c of spectrum

Discussion in 'Western US Wireless Forum' started by exchguy, Oct 31, 2006.

  1. exchguy

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    Has anyone else heard why Cingular has not been able to turn on UMTS in Denver yet? The only thing I could find out from my thread of HoFo was that due to Cingular's limited amount of spectrum in the PCS Band (only a 10mhz D block) that cingular is unable to turn up the 3g network even though they have UMTS gear rolled out in the metro area.

    Cingular is saying mid-late 2007 for UMTS here. Does anyone know how Cingular is going to get additional spectrum to turn up UMTS in a year? Is getting rid of TDMA channels going to help that much?
     
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    Turning off TDMA will definately give them more spectrum, I'm not sure whether that will be enough though.

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    Cingular in Denver has 45 MHz

    25 MHz Cellular
    10 PCS C block (under affilate Edge Wireless)
    10 PCS D block

    All they need to do is have Edge lease the spectrum to them and use it for WCDMA that will fix the problem and they don't need to wait to for TDMA and AMPS to be shut down. :browani:

    I think Bill would agree Cingular has dropped the ball too many times in the Denver Metro.

    Problem with WCDMA is that is uses 5 MHz spead and CDMA 2000 only uses 1.25 MHz spread. SO you would need at least 10 MHz (5 base to phone and 5 phone to base).
     
  4. exchguy

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    Interesting you mention the C block spectrum. This was formerly NextWave's. Where you are seeing the Edge Wireless has some of this? FCC ULS only shows the license from NextWave that was terminated. I found a press release that says Verizon bought 10mhz in Denver from Nextwave. Edge Wireless says the only operate in parts of Oregon, CA, Idaho and Wyoming (according to their web site). Why does Edge wireless have spectrum in Denver?
     
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    we have a simalar problum here in okc. the fcc made cingular sell the att stuff so now we got no 3g,:confused:
     
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    Cingular decided in Auction 58 to have the Affiliate Edge Wireless bid for all licenses since Edge qualified for buying all licenses.
    The same was true with T-Mobile having Cook/Inlet do the buying for them.
    Verizon and Cricket did the buying for licenses the FCC would allow them to buy and had an affiliate to buy those that they could not buy.

    Verizon in Auction 35 did not want an affiliate so the licenses that only small companies could do the biding Verizon could not win any of those.

    The AWS auction the summer/fall did not have any licenses that were restricted to small companies to do the bidding.
     
  7. exchguy

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    So, Cingular really uses that C block spectrum that Edge Wireless bought in Denver since obviously Edge Wireless doesnt offer service here?

    This is the license info: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2761293
     
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    I believe another reason for the lack of 3G is Cingular had to stop work on the towers due to money issues, there is a thread on this & I will try to find it. It appears they have gone over their allocation for the year & part of the theory is the pending AT&T/BellSouth Merger & they want to get that completed 1st.
    This would match the article about them being back in full swing by early 07 on adding 3G to all over the U.S.

    Here is the link to the thread, if you click on the OP's link the article is long but gives a lot of information, as well as the rest of the thread. http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/wireless-news/58462-cingulars-cold-q4-could-hurt-contractors.html
     
  9. exchguy

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    I have confirmed that Cingular does already have UMTS node B gear in place, at least at one of the sites that I visited. I've also heard that all gear is in place. Just waiting to turn it on.

    I still don't understand how this could be a spectrum issue unless there is some sort of hold up related to the impending ATT merger. The Edge Wireless license (C block) would give Cingy the additional 10mhz spectrum, but maybe they are waiting to get the license transferred. The only apps I see on that license are the pending transfer to ATT, but then again all Cingy licenses have that.

    Anyone have any ideas on what could be blocking the C block license that cingular will be getting from Edge Wireless in Denver? I'm guess its not in use yet.
     
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    Hibby;

    WCDMA actually uses 3.84Mhz of spectrum to make it work ( it doesn't really need the full 5Mhz) but you can do both Data & Voice at the same time that's why it needs the 3.84 wide channel.:cool:
     
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    Cingular will have to clear out the some of the 850Mhz to do UMTS in Denver first, so if they have installed Node B's then they are closer and you think to turning it on (Maybe 1st quarter 2007) which is only 2 months away.;)
     
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    One would think is the gear is there, then they may be close.

    A poster here has an actual picture showing a UMTS Node B from a cell site in a suburb of Denver: http://gallery.wirelessadvisor.com/showimage.php?i=2914&c=10
     

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