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  1. charlyee

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    Hello everyone, went driving around to North Central Wisconsin to enjoy the fall colors.

    The following codes got logged on the 6682 using CellTrack:
    310-41
    310-77
    310-56
    310-38
    310-64
    Always with great signal strength.

    006-37
    002-17
    421-43
    421-13
    With poorer signal strength to almost nothing on 421-13.

    I know that 310-41 is Cingular Orange. Can someone tell me what the others are or point me to a site that will have this info.

    Thanks Much :)

    PS: ShoresGuy, thanks for getting me hooked on CellTrack :D
     
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    Hi Shizam, thanks very much, yes they all have a zero on the end, that's how CellTrack logs it, sorry should have meioned it.

    Ok per Bobolito's list I get:

    310-410-Cingular Orange
    310-770-Iowa Wireless
    310-560-Cellular One
    310-380-Former AT&T
    310-640-Einstein PCS

    So then what are these? Certainly not GSM right?
    006-37
    002-17
    421-43
    421-13

    Thanks Much :)
     
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    Yeah....I don't think they are.....I've never heard of them :confused:
     
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    Let's try interpreting the second group as SIDs.

    637 don't know
    217 USCC in WI RSA-9 Appleton, Fond du Lac
    42143 don't know
    42113 don't know

    I think I'd call Fond du Lac east central Wisconsin.

    COtech
     
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    You're welcome, Charlyee. Those codes can't be MNC codes since the US uses only 310- and 311-.

    COTech, by SIDs do you mean Switch IDs?
     
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    Thanks COtechThat's interesting that it was logging in CDMA. It only did that group in about a 7-10 mile stretch of I39 south of Stevens Point. So not only is my GSM phone logging CDMA, it also doesn't know the diffence between East and Central ......LOL.

    Where can I find out about the rest of
    the second group?

    ShoresGuy & Shizam thanks very much for verifying that the second group is not GSM.
     
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    I noted you list Verizon after Cingular as a (former?) provider, that's the only reason I tried matching to SIDs. Your GSM phone would not be picking up CDMA/AMPS and TDMA/AMPS signals, except as interference. I just don't know what you've logged there.

    COtech
     
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    Thanks much Cotech that explains it. My phone was picking it up as interference, since it was not an usable signal.

    PS: I have both an active Verizon & T-Mobile account together with Cingular - Don't ask......:D
     
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    I've used CellTrack myself and I never picked up anything like that before. Of course, there wouldn't be that kind of interference here in Europe since CDMA is virtually non-existent.
     
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    It's pretty intriguing that it logged CDMA signal, even if it was only interference. One of the other SID's is probably Verizon, I will check into it.

    Hey, I know, it is close to Halloween & CDMA signals are trying to posses my GSM phone. :)
     
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    You can't "log in" a CDMA signal with a GSM device. That's impossible! However, it is possible that is a GSM signal from a CDMA carrier. Some CDMA carriers offer GSM for roamers only.

    Another possibility is that those were different numbers that meant something else in your test screen and you thought they were MNCs. The reason I say this is because there are no MCC-MNC in the US or Canada that begin with 006, 002 or 421. All MCC-MNC in the US begin with either 310 or 311.
     
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    I concur, that must be some other numbers he's mixed up with. Even if the GSM phone picks up interference, it would not be able to decode the signal to show any kind of SID from the CDMA carrier.
     
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    I went back checked the numbers in the data base and although some of them I didn't save but out of the second group "42113" was saved and is still in the CellTrack Program, so how did that happen?
     
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    Thanks, I am beginning to think so also. Unfortunately the numbers were represented exactly the same way as the 310 numbers in my CellTrack program so it is confusing. Maybe I will E Mail the developer of the program and ask? It will be interesting to hear his explaination.

    BTW: Thanks for the info on MCC-MNC that you posted on HoFo that Shizam steered me to.
     
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    Thanks ShoreGuy, I just did, max 5 min. before you posted. What can I say, GREAT MINDS :D.

    It will be interesting to see what he says.
     
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    :D Don't expect a reply just yet, chances are that he's not a night owl like I am, it's 12:42 AM here in Germany.

    I e-mailed several months ago too and he replied pretty quickly.
     
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    I guess she found a bug in CellTrack? ;)
     
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    Could be :D, it must be a big one since normally CellTrack reports accurate Cell IDs.
     
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    Some more interesting observation. We went to Chicago and back today, and I logged in about 86 towers each way. The interesting thing was that all of them were 310-410 or Cingular Orange.

    So my question is are they all original Cingular or have the ATT towers been converted over on the stretch of I94 & I294 to the south side of Chicago.

    Thanks much.

    PS: I haven't hard from Axel Fischer yet.
     
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    Just got a reply from Axel Fischer, this is what he wrote:

    "No idea for that. But I've heard in Germany e.g. the company Siemens has a own MMC-MNC for testing - available in Munich.
    May be we have the same situation here??"



    So does anyone know of US companies that have their own test MMC-MNC?

    Thanks
     
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    Cingular has converted many blue towers to orange already, so they will all show as 410. Now, you can't detect blue and orange networks at the same time unless you perform a network scan or a phone that has a SIM that prefers the blue network. It might be possible you drove through some areas that have blue towers and the phone didn't see them because it was connected to the orange network.

    As for your second question, there are US carriers that have MNCs for testing purposes. However, they should all begin with either 310, 311 or 316 which is the MCC part or Mobile Country Code. I have documented that Cingular has 310-980 and 310-990 for testing.
     
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    Thanks much bobolito.

    I think it is time to give up on my quest to figure out the goofy numbers that got logged Saturday, since the developer can not help either......:rolleyes:
     
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    Some more information from Axel Fischer in reply to my further questions:

    Me: It is quite possible that those are test frequencies. It was not any usable signal.
    Axel: I'm not sure. When the signals are lost the program (Nokia API) doesn't bring good values to display. And the API defined status are not comming out as expected - still wrong values are reported. I had to learn this when I did a travel by train and reached a tunnel area.


    Me: One thing that was particularly interesting is that 217 is USCC in WI,
    which is a CDMA carrier. Is it at all possible to log CDMA on my GSM
    phone as interference?

    Axel:This could be. The new Nokia API should bring 'Cdma95' or 'Cdma2K' on 1st display.

    best wishes
    Axel Fischer


    Interesting......
     
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    Very interesting indeed, Mr. Fischer seems to know quite a bit about CDMA then if he was able to include that info in CellTrack.
     
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