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Most US Consumers Stockpile Older Smartphones

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  1. viewfly

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    I found this blog post interesting and wonder what most other WA forumites do. Too complicated to place in a poll perhaps.

    I generally sell my previous iPhone, although with the recent purchase of the 5S, I plan to keep the 5 for now.

    I do have a collection of older phones, generally one of each version, from the various family members. Also some older Nokia's, which I never sold like I do with the iPhones.

    Note that the stored smartphones is a combination of brands, although the articles linked speak of iPhones. The chart included is interesting, although I found the resale prices below what I have seen on eBay.


    U.S. Consumer Stockpile of Unused iPhones Valued at $13.4 Billion - Mac Rumors

    Consumers hoard $13 billion in old iPhones - MarketWatch

    What do you guys do? And it would be useful to hear from the more 'anonymous' WA members that read, but never post on the forums.
     
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    I would also add that I wonder what programs from carriers, like AT&T NEXT program will do to the resale prices of phones on eBay?

    If one can acquire a new phone every 12 months (after paying 3/5 of the price off), but has to turn in the phone to the carriers...that is a lot of phones for the carrier to dump on the market or resale on line as 'used' discounted phones. How will that affect the general market, since over time all those phones that were sitting home, will now be in the hands of carriers...that will want to unload them.

    For example, a $750, 32 Gb iPhone will have been payed back to the carrier over 12 months, $450 by the consumer. So now the carrier has the phone, with $300 left to recoup. They will want to dump back onto market to recoup that loss, and perhaps a bit of profit for their time. The could hurt the resell market, but at the same time help consumers purchase a 12 month old phone for perhaps $400 from the carrier.

    I also wonder with the NEXT program, what kind of minimum condition the returned phone has to be in? Sort of like a leased car? Near perfect???

    Just curious.
     
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    So far I kept my N8 & the Galaxy Nexus. I don't think their resale value is worth the trouble. My wife is on her first smartphone and my stepdaughter so far hasn't left a smartphone behind :)

    With regards to Next, I suppose there could be a bunch of cheap prepaid smartphones available :) Or maybe they'll just rotate them as refurbs at lower prices.
     
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    I don't have any old Smartphones, as I sell them as soon as I get a new one. Having said that I am thinking of keeping my iphone5 when I do get a new one. It is unlocked and a true workhorse.


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    I still have my old iPAQ, I was scared personal data might still be in it when I replaced it, so I kept it. My Tilt still works, but there's something odd going on inside it. A full charge only lasts about 3 hours, even after putting a new battery in it. Didn't feel right selling it with it behaving that way. My HTC Pure was run over by a car - I still have the pieces somewhere. I meant to toss it in a recycling bin, it just never happened. My HTC Inspire was passed down to my dad, who still uses it, and I'm still using my Vivid because I can't afford to replace it at this time.
     
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    The only phones I have, is my Stellar and Trophy.
    If I know someone that needs a phone.
    I'll give them the Trophy. It's not worth anything, and it's only 3G.
    The Stellar is used for a back up since I don't have a landline.
     
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    I usually end up selling my previous smartphone. I just sold my N2 the other day. When I went from the Droid RAZR MAXX to the Note 2, I traded it in for a few bucks.

    I do have some stone age flip phone lying around, though.

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    Some good responses. However, I wonder where the forum members are that read/view our threads and posts, but never post themselves??? :confused::confused: It would be more interesting if more participated.

    Anyways, its seems we are a more savvy group of phone users based on the remarks by one analyst below.

    I remember there was a time when excess phones were being donated to 'battered wifes' and others. Wonder if those programs still operate. There sure are a lot of phones out there sitting in drawers and boxes! :headscrat

     
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    When I worked for ATT, they had a box for donating used phones that were recycled to active soldiers. I have also donated them to battered-women organizations.

    So, in short, I do not keep older phones. I take a pix of them for my personal history and that's it.
     
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    At work we collect phones on Earth day for donation to the proper organizations.


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    I normally sell my previous phones on eBay. Lately I have been trying to keep a smartphone for backup, but with my 1520 taking a nano SIM my 720 and 820 (micro SIMS) are in the process of being sold now.
     
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    Thanks for your post budney.

    I use a SIM adapter to enable my nano SIM to fit my older phones. Or micro to fit a standard SIM phone.

    $5 on eBay will get you a 3 in 1 adapter package. It works!

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G2...cc0f4777#ref=mp_s_a_1_1&qid=1392723763&sr=8-1


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    One thing to keep in mind is that some manufacturers/phone models do not recommend the use of adapters. From Nokia E7 manual:
    Now I don't know whether they'll go as far as voiding the warranty from any damage that might occur, but I wouldn't want to take the chance. I used a micro-SIM in my GNex once with an adapter and the SIM slipped out. I had to carefully break the adapter into smaller pieces to extract it without damaging PIN connectors.
     
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    I can verify that my adaptors worked well on my Nokia 6131 and Nokia 6230. Both nano to std and micro to std sizing.

    Both of these devices are pop in SIM's. Sliding in SIM trays like the iPhone would be more fragile, and use with commonsense and caution. I think, not certain, that I used a nano sim in my older iPhone, with the correct adapter.

    The only reason that I can see Nokia saying this, is to relieve themselves from liability from poorly made adapters (i.e. not thin enough or cut so as to misplace the metal connectors on the SIM card).

    What other reason could there be? Anyhow the adapters that I linked above are well made.
     
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    I think it depends on the SIM loading mechanism. For the old style "hinge door" I don't see any trouble whatsoever. For the tray loading ones, like iPhones -- probably not much. For the spring loaded slotted ones I would worry the most as there's pressure applied to the adapter when you click it in and out that could potentially dislodge the SIM. Remember, they're very thin pieces of plastic to begin with and there's always going to be some flex.

    I'm not saying one should not use the adapters, I'm saying one should be careful doing so. You don't want the adapter to get stuck there without the SIM card in it.
     
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    Good points and I agree. One has to use common sense. I was only pointing out that solution does exist that works well in many cases. Looks like the 720 has a slide tray like the iPhones and the 820 is a pop in spring loaded slot.

    Fortunately the electrical contact pins on all SIMs are the same oversized area and location. It is only the plastic card that changes. Once the SIM is inside the adapter they are like one piece and work well. At least that has been my experience. I tried my micro SIM inside my iPhone 3G std SIM tray, no problem. I'd feel fine with the pop in kind too.

    But as a disclaimer, use with caution.
     
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    One other thing to worry about is using a cut-down nano SIM (as opposed to a true nano SIM) in an adapter. The true nano SIM is slightly thinner than a regular SIM and I'm sure adapters are designed with that in mind. If someone is using a SIM that's just cut down to the nano size, it'll still work fine in the device itself but may present problems in an adapter. It's best to use a real nano SIM or file down (sandpaper down) the cut one.
     
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    I basing on budney having a 'store-bought' nano sim as he said. The nano sim is 100 microns thinner than the full size and micro sim, and that may explain why the nano holder works so well. But plastic parts that are held to 100 micron (0.1mm) is pretty tight in practice. I think it all works, even for the micro sim because there is slop in the fitting of these parts. I have a nano Tmo sim, and a micro Tmo that I cut myself (with scissors too). Both fit flush inside the adapters and once in, don't fall out.

    Do you know of anyone that has had a problem? I don't. Anyhow, good information. Getting a nano is not hard, so cutting one is really not necessary.

    Thanks!
     
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    Yes, I wasn't directing it at budney, more like general information for someone who might read this thread. Aside from that incident with my GNex I don't know of anyone who would've had a problem.
     
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    My adapter for going from a micro to a standard SIM worked very well for switching between the Lumia 900 and the Vivid.

    When I got my iPhone unlocked, I cut my TM regular SIM to nano and had to work at making it fit. It was an eBay bought cutter but I had to do much filing for it to fit right in the iPhone.

    I decided to stick to store bought SIMs from then on. :)


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    Great points on nano Sim adapters. I have heard people having issues with nano SIMS and the Lumia SIM trays that are like the one on the 720, so I would rather not take the chance. Plus my line is eligible for NEXT if I need a new phone or get a new backup.
     
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    Thanks for the responses forum members. It may not be the best thread, but holy cow, are there only 8 WA members out there that have an opinion? It seems to be the average replays these days. I think we have as many supermods.

    It sure would be nice if many of the silent viewers would come out and participate openly in these threads. :)
     
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    Before getting my first iPhone I used to keep all of my old phones. However, with the higher resale value that the iPhones bring I've sold every one to get the next model with the exception of my 4. I gave that one to my daughter. I might keep my 5S too depending on how my 14 day trial with the Note 3 goes.


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    I don't keep any older phones around. I sell my old phone every time I get a new one because I feel that the older one will drop in value the older it gets. So selling asap likely is the best way to get a few more bucks out of it before it becomes very outdated. I might still have one old dumb phone laying around somewhere from circa 2008.
     
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