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Merged thread on Cingular 310-38 vs. 310-26 in NYC

Discussion in 'Northeastern US Wireless Forum' started by zhila, Jun 11, 2005.

  1. zhila

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    hi all,
    this is in reference to my previous topic"Cingular in NYC". I bought this Europian phone motorola c975 unlocked. when i put Cing sim into the phone it gives an option to choose between two Cingulars networks 310-260 and 310-380.
    310-380 gives me almost no reception since May 26; however if i pick 310-260 ,which is i believe T-mobile, i have perfect reception as before May 26.
    Can I reprogram Cingular nokia 6230 so it gives an option to choose networks??
    thanks all.
     
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    Re: Cingular 310-380 or 310-260

    Well, like any other GSM phone, the 6230(b) allows you to select a network automatically or manually. However, Cingular tends to disable the network selection menu. It's due to either the Cingular SIM card or the firmware. If it's the firmware, you could try having it flashed to a OEM Nokia firmware version. This should reenable the network selection menu. However based on what I have read over in the Cingular Forum at Howard's Forums, it's probably a SIM card programming sequence which blocks the menu from being displayed.

    Is your 6230(b) branded (Cingular firmware/menus) or unbranded (normal Nokia menus without customized Cingular WAP settings for example)?
     
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    Re: Cingular 310-380 or 310-260

    Hi,
    phone is branded; however it accepts any sim card and works on that sim card network. Main menu-When i click on SIM SERVICES it sends me back to main menu.
    So Cingular does not allow to play with SIM SERVICES.

    What should i do now?

    thanks.
     
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    Re: Cingular 310-380 or 310-260

    try calling customer service, and tell them ur going overseas and would to have international roaming opened up on ur account. In the process of doing that they very well may send an OTA to ur SIM which toggles manual network selection on (since ur going overseas right)...
    after the OTA ya may have to pwr cycle phone for the network selection menu to appear.
     
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    Re: Cingular 310-380 or 310-260

    I already have inter roaming on my account. Should i still call them and ask to reopen inter roaming? or there is some otherway of doing that?
     
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    Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Cingular is LOWERING THE BAR here in NYC and metropolitan area.
    I have been a cingular customer since they started here in NYC. Everything was decent until May of this year. Some areas where service was fine you have no service now. Let them finalize with ATT before you sign a contract.
    No more Tmobile roaming for cingular customers in NYC as it was before, so now it is ATT towers only we have to rely on. Also, ATT has never been a great cell provider. Just go to
    www.jdpower.com and see for yourself.
    I have made several coplaints to Cingular and no improvement so far.
     
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    only 310-380 available in NYC:(

    Does anyone know what happened to service in NYC and metropolitan area?
    GPRS became available only in certain areas, and voice service is very spotty.
    reception is floating from 5 bars to no service at all in places where everything used to be great. Only 310-380 available which provides almost no coverage in NYC. Is there something i should tell cs? Koz they dont know what to do and how to address this problem. Also, someone mentioned that cing phones do not pick up on ATT in NYC starting May 05. Why?
    thanks
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Yes it seems like service in NYC is really degrading fast, people on a lot of forums are complaining and I just hope Cingular gets their act together soon otherwise they will loose big in a market like NYC.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I have been the biggest fan of Cingular, until a few weeks ago, when service got so bad....

    (I have all my friends that I sent to Cingular complaining to me... and I am out of contract, so as soon as everyone else is.... if Cingular does not improve... we are all going to Verizon...)

    EDIT: I started a thread 2 weeks ago on this issue at howard forums..
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=643147
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I know things have been going back & forth in our area with Blue, and alot of people are saying when they migrate & get a 64K SIM with an ENS phone things have improved.
    I have seen friends with the new phones & SIM's have no problems here in North Jersey, which is going thru the same deal as NYC.
    I have a feeling they will be shutting off the roaming abilities with T-Mobile soooner then later, since they said everything is ahead of schedule.

    I know Blue customers could never roam on T-Mobile in this area & our coverage hasn't been that bad, but I do expect it to get worst before getting better, I do think it will take about a year tops, not 2 though.
    I also hear Verizon people saying there are capacity issues in this area as well, so it's going to be an interesting time to see how the buildout goes, shutting down of TDMA to add capacity to GSM then AMP's in 2 years, and how fast they add towers for both carriers.
     
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    Re: only 310-380 available in NYC:(

    310-380 is AT&T's network in NYC & NJ, are you a Cingular Orange customer, or Cingular Blue customer? I know Orange customers can't select a network, wheras Blue customers can See the T-Mobile network but can't select it.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    VZW is going BAD too.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year


    Of course they are going bad...
    they never work for you, Jones,
    they don't work in neighborhoods,
    your friends house...nowhere I guess.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    :lmao:

    I can't say they are going Bad or are Bad, it just seems they are having capacity issues, just like Cingular, only Cingular is also dealing with integration issues that make it seem worst.
    I had issues with them, but alot of people I know use them & are happy. Maybe Jones has a Verizon dead zone that follows him everywhere he goes?
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year


    Lol, no idea. It's just funny how he has to defend Cingular by writing that. I'm not saying VZW does/Does NOT have capacity issues, I just know that capacity issues they've had in NYC/NJ have very much gone away after they overlaid their network with PCS, and I hear, by far, less complaints about VZW in NYC/NJ than about Cingular for the past few weeks.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    it does'nt work forANDY too.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Oh.....................How so?
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    My landline works.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Jones I'm not trying to bash against
    you here, but I think we'd all
    appreciate it that you only post
    if you have something relevant to
    say.

    Thank you and have a great
    day,
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Yeah, I haven't heard as many people complain about problems with Verizon lately as in the past, so your probobly right with the overlay.
    And it has seemed to be getting bad with Cingular lately, I know I was expecting these problems to happen & actually expected it sooner, hopefully they will get it worked out sooner then later, it can't be an easy thing to integrate 2 large networks, I just wonder if they would have done away with the T-Mobile roaming so soon, If they did I think it was a really bad move on there part.
    I have had some of these issues that I never had with AWE before the merger but nothing severe yet, and hope I don't.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I really hope they do soon, because I don't think they can allow themselves to joke around with a market that big; they are very fragile right now, churn might go up and they might loose the number one spot again, prices are going up, network going down...that's not a good sign.
    I also wonder why they did away with the T-MObile roaming so soon-maybe it got to costly for them since they did the same thing in some parts of Arizona as AZ reported.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Yeah I don't understand it either, especially with the new plans I think they are going to see a big churn this qtr just from the rate increase, especially on the family plans. I am suprised that the other carriers haven't used that to there advantage by pushing the 9.99 each addl line over Cingular's 14.99 plans.
    I know I don't like the direction it's heading, but I am trying to stay upbeat & hope it will change for the better, I still have over 1 1/2 years on my contract & with 4 lines it's not an option to port to another carrier.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I don't know why Cingular would get rid of TM roaming before they are ready since Cingular is required to pay TM at least $1.2B in roaming revenue over the next few years - they might as well get some usage out of it.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I merged three threads into one since they all deal with Cingular in NYC and the network selection. The posts are in chronological order, so if some stuff doesn't make sense 100%, that is the reason.
     
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    Wow, I guess you will have to go through the worst with 4 lines and 1 1/2 years left on your contract. By the time your contract is up, they must have figured things out, otherwise people will have stormed to other carriers and the network is free of traffic and works well for you ;)

    Well, Cingular is in need of a lot of money right now so I guess this is why we're seeing prices go up; I think that with the network integration issues or whatever is causing the issues along with higher prices and problems people are having with CS, they will loose their number one spot sooner rather than later, which is sad, because they have a lot of potential.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    But if the usage is higher, doesn't Cingular need to pay T-Mobile much more since they buy roaming minutes in bundles usually?
    Btw, how much does a carrier generally pay another carrier to roam on their network?? I know it varies, but what are some general numbers, maybe even some numbers someone has heard?
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    I still don't know if they did end the agreement, I know friends of mine with Cingular Orange & they didn't seem to loose any coverage, as well as talking with some people in NYC on Orange & they aren't having any issues either.
    I don't know if there is something else happening & it's just part of the integration process or older phones. I guess at $1.2 B required payment it wouldn't make any sense to eliminate the roaming.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    Oh I don't think roaming is totally eliminated, I think they just eliminated it in some areas to save roaming costs, OR T-Mobile wanted to get Cingular users off their network in some areas where their own network capacity might be needed by T-Mobile's own subscribers.
     
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    Re: Merged thread on Cingular 310-18 vs. 310-26 in NYC

    Blue sim cards allow you to do a manual network search. Unfortunately orange cards only will do automatic network selection. Blue cards sometimes can act wierd, usually finding a tmobile tower but not allowing u to select it, rarely giving an orange tower as an option unless blue is just not available. Im sorry to hear about the cingular problems in nyc, i find in central nj that we never know what to expect-i have a blue charter line and orange family lines and sometimes one or the other has full strength and the other none. Im seeing some odd patterns. Hope its only merger pains.
     
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    Re: Stay away from Cingular in NYC for another year

    from your previous post.
    you said VZW does NOT work inside your House.
     
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