Well I did it! Got a brand spakin new i580 phone! Let me say this is THEE phone for those who want a good rugged phone that is truly rubber, yet has a camera! The casing is just like the i530 (the first rugged phone), but there is a camera, and the speaker is on the INSIDE of the phone....double speakers! But the outside of the phone, ALL of it is a hard rubber! Even the case that comes off for the battery! And the case, fits in secure for the battery. Doesn't wiggle like the i560 backing did. The BUTTONS are a made of a hard rubber! And inbetween the buttons is a rubber plastic so to avoid dust getting between them or water. The screen is much larger than the i560. The case over the charger connector is like the i530, more secure. Not like the i560 which is flimsy and I always had problems opening and closing it. Weight, it's rather light considering everything it has and all the rubber. It's much lighter than the i530, doesn't have that "brick" feeling like the i530 does. Cons: You won't be able to use any of your batteries from any of the other phones. These are smaller batteries and using the old ones, the back of the phone will not fit. And no, I'm not using hi-cap batteries. Another tidbit is to purchase it on Ebay (as I did). It's much cheaper (buying it outright through Nextel is over six hundred dollars), no contract required, nor are there any connect charges. The phone is expensive (I paid just under four hundred dollars with shipping included). But if you're looking for a rugged flip camera phone, that will last, I'd say to save up, get it for a gift for yourself or request it as a gift. Nextel and Motorolla have a winner here!