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WEST U.S. -- Have zBoost but Still Poor Reception

Discussion in 'GENERAL Wireless Discussion' started by krazybob, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. krazybob

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    I recently moved to a new mountain community overlooking southern California. One might expect excelletn cell phone coverage at 6300 feet "in the clear." This has not been the case. Inside of my 2000 sq. foot home I have no coverage on Sprint. My wife uses Verizon and has intermittent coverage. Standing on the roof of my home I get varying 1-2 bars and upon making a call it is dropped. Just as a point of reference, I am an amateur radio extra class operator with 35 years of radio experience that included helping to build the L.A. cellular network back in the 80's.

    Nonetheless, I purchased a zBoost 510PCS based on reviews. I properly installed the base unit and have 28 feet of horizontal separation and then 12 feet of vertical, and a wooden floor. The zBoost is in my basement office. Using the 3dBi dual band gain antenna provided by zBoost was laughable. 3dBi equals .86dBd. Unity gain. I get no better coverage inaide than outside.

    I have emailed and telephoned Wi-Ex many times. None of my calls have been returned. Emails have been here and there and I purchased the 800mHz yagi for Verizon and the 1900mHz PCS panel for Sprint. I replaced their cheesy cable with new RG6Q cable and waterproof compression connectors.

    Using my Treo's antenna adapter I plugged directly into the PCS panel to aim the panel. I get 5 bars but it bounces back and forth, back and forth between Digital Roaming and Sprint. Sprint is lower bars. But I have a strong signal at the antenna. I still have crappy coverage inside my office unless I leave the phone in a particular spot. Within feet of the zBoost I have minimal coverage. From inside my office I can plug into the cable from the antenna and again get 5 bars, so the cable is good. But the zBoost seems dead. Even a replacement base unit made no difference.

    I am at a complete loss here. My phone is absolutely mandatory.
     
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    had no trouble with my zBoost... I'm a little unclear on your post are you using two antennas?
     
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    Zboost units are not really amplifiers per say . . They perform best when there is a very strong signal outside and they will redistribute that signal inside. If there is a strong donor signal outside ( full or close to full bars) they can redistribute the signal inside well . But if the donor signal is weak they in not very effective. You might want to try a stronger outside antenna outside (Yagi ot directional panel) . Besides that there are not many ways to improve the performance of your zboost . You are probably going to get something more expensive in your situation.



     
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    zBoost makes available a package that boosts the outside signal. It comes with an 800mHz yagi for Verizon and a panel for Sprint PCS. Two antennas. The standard dual band antenna is just a plastic stick, as you know. [​IMG]

    The next comment quoted part of a web site stating that without a strong donor signal the zBoost won't work. This contradicts each manufactuer that I have called because the yagi and panel antennas specifically are intended to boost the donor signal. Otherwise, offering them and selling them would be fraud. I have asked this same question of Wilson, zBoost (Wi-Ex) and JDTeck. You can see why I am at a loss.

     
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    If the upograded antenna package is not getting you enouugh signal you might consider putting a direct connect dual band amplifier inline to boost the signal to the wireless amplifier . We do this on our commercial installations where the donor signal is too weak for a wireless amplifier to effectively amplify.

     
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    The upgraded antenna package IS getting me enough signal: 5 bars at the antenna and at the end of the cable. I can plug it directly into my phone and get 5 bars in my office. The issue is that when using the zBoost it hardly covers three feet. It is getting the 5 bars from the PCS panel but this isn't translating to increased coverage in my office.

    Will a dual polarity, dual band 3dBd gain dome antenna in the office increase its cone of coverage? It amazes me that they claim that the 510 covers 2500 sq. feet.
     
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    Hopefully you got everything from a good vendor that will refund you since the product is not meeting your needs. We have an Cyfre in home 2500 square foot package coming out early 2009 .Right now we have a 1000 square foot package and 50,000 square foot package. I believe Wilson has one now . Try wpsantennas.com - Cellular Antenna and Amplifier Reception Solutions if you need right away and see if they can help.They know thier stuff.

     
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    Actually just the opposite is true. At 6,300 feet you will likely have very poor signal because of CDMA noise pollution (very high EC/IO). You have a line of sight to many different cell sites in the valley below but you are too high to be of any use because of horrible pilot pollution. I'm familar with Running Springs and believe it or not Sprint actually covers the area pretty well as long as you are in range of one of their two towers in Running Springs proper. But there are pockets of low service or no service because of the challenging terrain, trees, etc.

    But the good news is all you have to do is pick up a new device called an Airave (which is available at any Sprint store). They run off of your high speed ineternet connection (DSL, cable, etc). So you just plug it into a router and for $5/month plus the one time cost of the device, you can get excellent service to your home or office.

    By the way the location of Sprint's two towers in Running Springs are:

    30295 Leprechaun Court, 92382
    3450 Seymour Road, 92382
     
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    I have spent time today on the phone with Wilson and they assure me that their unit will surpass the zBoost. It will cost me almost double once I have to buy their cable and plugs. The zBoost uses F connectors -- I have no fault with them - but Wilson uses FME and an adapter to type N. I could continue to use the RG6Q cable that I ran and the SWR would only be slightly higher. Or, I have loads of LMR-400 that is harder to run because it doesn't flex well.

    I hate starting over.

    Talking with a major distributor of Wilson, he tlls me that in mountains sometimes you have 1 bar, sometimes you have 5; it goes back and forth. I had not told him that and I have that situation. I was just on a call at 5 bars and it dropped to zero right in the middle.

    A 20% restocking fee, though, ticks me off.
     
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    I sure wish Sprint had given me the actual addresses when I asked! Thank you!!!

    As an extra class amateur radio operator, I knew of the noise po9lution. Altitude is great when on 2 meters, but not hitting 12 cell sites.

    I own an internet hosting company with about 100 servers online. If a server or service goes down I get a text message -- but not when I have no signal. I continue to use Sprint because of their superior data service here in the mountains. Even while driving I can pull over and connect with the laptop -- just not from my office :( It is my backup for when Charter goes down. Ain't life grand?

    I am going to return the zBoost to Amazon. They have agreed to take it back even though it has been more than 30 days and only because I have spent so much time trying to work with Wi-Ex.
     
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    By the way I am using an Airave in a house that's around 2,300 square feet and it's able to cover the entire house with a strong signal. I have it placed in a good location about 6.5 feet off the ground, on top of a bookcase and near a window. Sprint recently made improvements to this area and I no longer need it but decided to keep using it anyway.

    I just found what looks like a 3rd tower in or near Running Springs:

    31324 Green Valley Lake Road, 92382
     
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    I ordered the Wilson SOHO and inside dome antenna. The offered me only a 10% restocking fee. I still don't like a restocking fee when during their sales pitch they swear it will work. But they have a 30 day return policy and not 7-15 days like all of the others that I saw.

    I will use my 800mHz yagi and PCS panel for the zBoost. The have F connectors but I have adapters and the VSWR is less than 1.5:1. If I have to change it I'll do it later. Right now the antennas are getting rained on, hailed on, and snowed on. I don't think Amazon will take them back ;)
     
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    Good luck . I am not sure how good those Zboost antennas really are though . Might want to try another antenna outside rather than give up on the Wilson Immediatley if you do not get desired results . If the Wilson does not do well consider pputting a direct connect amplifier in line as a preamp. Like I said before we do this on installations that have bad donor signals.


     
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    The PCS antenna works fine. 5 bars plugged directly into the phone.
     
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    I found that by pointing the PCS panel across the valley (about 5 miles) to Skyforest I can reliably get 2-5 bars in my office.

    Do you have the physical addresses of Rim Forest and Sky Forest for Sprint? That would be awesome!
     
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    Sprint has towers in Blue Jay at 626 Dogwood Canyon Road (Not accessible to the public, I've tried lol) and at 26110 Strawberry Lookout Road near Rimforest.

    There's also two smaller towers in Lake Arrowhead. One is at the Village disguised in a clock tower and the other is at 29101 Hospital Road.
     
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    The Wilson SOHO arrived today and upon installation -- basically tossing it down and connecting the 75ohm cables instead of 50ohms - I get 5 bars on two floors. Imagine the slight improvement by switching to 50ohm cable.

    I guess the zBoost just can't hang.
     
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    Great Stuff , You are correct about the Zboost


     
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    How long is the cable?
    And how is the signal quality with 5 bars? CDMA in open areas is prone to pilot pollution. You can have a good RSSI but if the Ec/No is bad, you may still not be able to keep/make a call.
     
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    Service quality is excellent! The cable run is less than 50 feet. From an RF perspective, the VSWR difference is 1.5:1 using 75ohm cable. That's more than acceptable. The higher elevation does play a number, though. Sometimes the phone switches back and foirth between Sprint and Roaming. It did that with the zBoost as well. But the SOHO works and is solid.
     
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    Right. I have seen full bars (or almost full bars) on my phone in the past while in a high elevation place but was unable to make or receive calls. A check of debug mode revealed that the EC/IO was sky high even though the RSSI was showing as sufficient.
     
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    I don't know how to enter debug mode on my Treo. But -- I have 5 bars and quality voice.
     
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    In general, Wilson products perform better in low signal situations, because they have lower noise figures. To avoid the restocking fee, purchase from Wilson Amplifier Store, where there is a 30 day money-back guarantee.

    If you have a zBoost YX510 kit, or are considering buying one, the zBoost YX029 upgrade antenna is definitely something to consider, particular if you have 2 bars or less of signal outside the building.

    But going for one of Wilson's kit is probably the best option in low signal situations, and will provide the best coverage area. They just released updates to their largest range of kits with new SKUs: the Wilson 801165 and Wilson 801365 are now 65dB kits, but they are single band only. If you're looking for a large coverage area, these are definitely the kits to go for. Additional indoor antennas are also very helpful for expanding the coverage area past walls and to multiple floors.
     

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