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Deutsche Telekom chief rules out acquisitions in US

Discussion in 'Wireless News' started by ComicalMoodyDan, Dec 28, 2004.

  1. ComicalMoodyDan

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    Deutsche Telekom chief rules out acquisitions in US

    Tue Dec 28, 8:43 AM ET U.S. National - AFP


    FRANKFURT (AFP) - Deutsche Telekom has no intention of making acquisitions or stepping up investments for its mobile phone business in the United States, in spite of the planned merger of rivals Sprint and Nextel, the head of German telecommunications giant said.

    The US market, with 280 million people and a penetration rate of only 60 percent, was large enough for the current number of players, Deutsche Telekom chief Kai-Uwe Ricke told the Financial Times and Financial Times Deutschland in an interview.

    "It does not matter whether you have four, five or six players, as long as our positioning is right, and as long as we have the critical mass" of at least 15 million subscribers, Ricke argued.

    Deutsche Telekom's mobile phone arm, T-Mobile, has been growing rapidly in the US, adding 3.2 million customers during the first nine months and it intends to have "just over 17 million" subscribers by the end of the year, Ricke said.

    Indeed, the firm was targeting 30-35 million US customers by 2010.

    The US mobile phone market is in the process of consolidating. Cingular and ATT Wireless merged at the beginning of the year and more recently Sprint and Nextel tied the knot.

    T-Mobile USA has an 11.8-percent share of the market, Cingular/ATT hold a share of 34.5 percent, Verizon 30.6 percent and Sprint and Nextel 23.1 percent, FT Deutschland calculated.

    Deutsche Telekom chief rules out acquisitions in US
     
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    ...Interesting, Thanks for the article!
     
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    He may reconsider his words if the other 3 major carriers continue to purchase smaller providers. Even now, it looks like TMO is being left behind.
     
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    Well he said as long as they maintain the "critical 15m subs" then he's happy. LOL
     
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    I don't know what's so critical about 15m??? But oh well, whatever works for them. They do, to me too, look like they're left behind.
     
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    T-Mobile is last from all the National Carriers, it would surprise me if ALLTEL bought or merged with someone and passed T-Mobile in the near future.
     
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    Lol, that would be funny! :)
     
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    I'm not sure what T-Mobile is smoking but they really need to start taking the US seriously. T-Mobile will get killed by Cingular, Verizon, and the new Sprint Nextel. T-Mobile will have the smallest network of the major carriers and offer the least amount of coverage.

    I use to respect T-Mobile but I have to say I'm losing it. They are becoming stale and falling behind every other carrier in the US. They recently announced UMTS will be at least two years off because of lack of spectrum. Heck they are just now starting to launch EDGE. T-Mobile is starting to fall to the back on the data side and they use to be in front.

    While T-Mobile is doing well right now that will be short lived. People become more demanding over time and they will see the other carriers offer much more then T-Mobile can. Verizon pushes their network and Mobile to mobile. Cingular pushes their large digital network, Rollover, and Mobile to mobile. Sprint Nextel will have advanced data services and PTT.

    What does T-Mobile have? Oh... we offer you more anytime minutes. We also have a poor selection of phones, a tiny network, and are behind in data services. I'm sorry but T-Mobile is becoming the joke of the wireless industry. If they can't do any better then this they might as well just sell the US Network off to somebody else.

    This is just another sign IMO that DT really doesn't care that much about the US. If they did they would consider buying out smaller companies and be more agressive in getting new liceneses to expand coverage.
     
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    They probably are betting that Cingular won't be purchasing many more carriers if any at all. Therefore, they assume they have time on their hands when it comes to purchasing the smaller GSM carriers. Since Suncom most likely won't be bought out by any of the larger carriers, they probably see no need to rush.
     
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    Well they see no need to rush, but they need to get more spectrum for once.
    I hear a lot of people that want GSM only go with the new AT&T/Cingular, rather than with T-Mobile because of the broader coverage areas and Rollover. T-Mobile really needs to get going!
     
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    The spectrum is not available today. The auction starts January 26. I'm not sure how many times that needs to be repeated, although the criticisms continue. There is nothing they can do before then. DT has stated repeatedly they are committed to the US, UK, and Europe. They are selling off most of their other mobile holdings - they just sold about half of their stake in MTS for a billion or two to use the money elsewhere. DT said they will spend 2B Euro in the US on licenses. Let's see what happens at the auction.

    T-Mobile actually has a higher percentage of data revenue as part of APRU than most - it is currently 6% which is the highest I have seen (AT&T, Cingular, Verizon). The bottom line is that for most consumers, they have no need for high speed wireless right now. Wireless forums such as these are not representative of the general population. One of my TM sources is a retail store manager. He reads HoFo and just goes on and on to me laughing about how out of touch that user base is compares with the rest of the customer base. Not that their issues aren't legitimate (some are, some aren't) but those services just aren't in demand. That's why TM has Caller Tunes - that's what the customers want.

    That said, they do need to get EDGE out in 05. I read another article today suggesting that TM Europe might use some Flarion OFDM, evidently they just won a 450MHz license, I forget which country.

    I don't think their selection of phones is poor - it is much better than it was a year ago. My e315 is great, and two of my family members use the Blackberry 7100t - that is a cool device.

    TM US is the biggest piece of TM. It is their focus going forward. As far as the mythical critical mass of 15 million customers, the point is that if you have 15, 25, or 50 million customers, the financial benefits don't get any better as the size increases. TM Int'l has 67 million customers. They get all the benefits of scale they need.
     
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    If you'd like links showing DT's recent comments stating their focus in the US, UK etc let me know.
     
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    2B EUROS? Are you kidding me...? That won't buy them much.
     
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    Maybe DT is going through some problems they rather not admit and this is their excuse to justify their lack of initiatives and unwillingness to compete. ;)
     
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    It's about $2.6 Billion US. Enough to probably get specturm everywhere they need it in the smaller and midsize markets.
     
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    And maybe they are looking for someone to buy them out, like AWE was doing. Maybe Suncom or Dobson could & become a Natl. Carrier.
     
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    DT is not interested in selling TMO-US....
     
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    Sure, I'd be interested in reading more. :)
     
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    Some of the better ones are from the Financial Times, but they require registration after a day or so. Here's one from Bloomberg....the articles came out when DT sold off about 1/2 of their stake in Russian operator MTS - even though it has doubled in about a year (MTS and TM USA were about the same size a year ago! - not ARPU though)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=a.iWX4dLZytI&refer=germany

     
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    There are licenses in 120 BTAs and two MTAs available in the auction and TMO is bidding on licenses in every single one of them.

    Here's the full list:

    BTA007 Albany NY
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    BTA179 Hagerstown MD/Chambersburg PA
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    BTA194 Houghton MI
    BTA196 Houston
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    BTA204 Indianapolis
    BTA206 Iron Mtn MI
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    BTA212 Jacksonville FL
    BTA215 Jamestown/Dunkirk NY/Warren PA
    BTA218 Johnstown PA
    BTA220 Joplin MO/Miami OK
    BTA226 Kansas City
    BTA229 Tri-Cities of TN
    BTA231 Klamath Falls OR
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    BTA244 Las Cruces NM
    BTA249 Lebanon/Claremont NH
    BTA252 Lexington KY
    BTA261 Longview WA
    BTA262 L.A.
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    BTA268 McAllen TX
    BTA274 Manchester/Nashua/Concord NH
    BTA279 Marinette WI/Menominee MI
    BTA280 Marion IN
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    BTA284 Martinsville VA
    BTA287 Meadville PA
    BTA289 Melbourne FL
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    BTA298 Twin Cities
    BTA317 New Castle PA
    BTA318 New London/Norwich CT
    BTA319 New Orleans
    BTA324 Hampton Roads
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    BTA330 Olean NY/Bradford PA
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    BTA350 Pittsburgh
    BTA353 Pocatello ID
    BTA357 Portland ME
    BTA358 Portland OR
    BTA361 Poughkeepsie NY
    BTA364 Providence
    BTA366 Pueblo CO
    BTA374 Richmond VA
    BTA376 Roanoke VA
    BTA378 Rochester MN
    BTA385 Roseburg OR
    BTA386 Roswell NM
    BTA391 St. Cloud MN
    BTA394 St. Louis
    BTA395 Salem OR
    BTA401 San Antonio
    BTA402 San Diego
    BTA408 Sarasota FL
    BTA409 SSM MI
    BTA411 Scottsbluff NE
    BTA412 Scranton PA
    BTA413 Seattle
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    BTA416 Sharon PA
    BTA428 Springfield MO
    BTA430 Staunton/Waynesboro VA
    BTA441 Temple/Killeen TX
    BTA451 Twin Falls ID
    BTA460 Washington DC metro
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    BTA477 Willmar/Marshall MN
    BTA480 Worcester/Fitchburg (central) MA
    BTA491 USVI
    BTA492 American Samoa
    BTA493 CNMI (Saipan)
    MTA050 Guam/CNMI
    MTA051 American Samoa

    -SC
     
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    I think the bigger question in people's minds around here, including mine, is why DT doesn't seem to be interested in SunCom when SunCom seems to be doing everything it can to make itself a candidate for takeover by DT.

    It seems to me that DT is letting SunCom deteriorate (from a financial POV) even further to the point of "distressed inventory" before pouncing on them...plus there's really no rush to buy them since SunCom is pretty much un-acquireable by anyone else at this point. (Cingular is clearly out of the running, Sprint is unlikely to be able to buy them because of the Sprint/Nextel merger and probably doesn't want the baggage that comes with SunCom, ALLTEL is too tied up with smaller acquisitions [PSC] and likely soon WWCA, and VZW is unlikely to want the baggage that comes with SunCom of a GSM network, low-revenue and low-credit-quality customers on unlimited plans, etc.)

    -SC
     
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    If DT doesn't make some acquisitions in the next 12 months, they are going to have stiff competition from the combined Alltel/Western Wireless company. Alltel/WWC will be the 5th largest provider in the US once they merge and they'll have a huge coverage footprint. If DT doesn't do something Alltel will replace T-Mobile as the 4th largest provider in the US. Although Alltel/WWC's coverage area would still be more rural than T-Mobile so they may have more pops in their coverage area even though Alltel would have a much larger footprint. In the wireless industry, the next 12-24 months are going to be really interesting to watch. I'm excited, all these changes... the US wireless industry of 2002 is going to bear little resemblance to the US wireless industry of 2007. :D
     
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    That's odd, T-Mobile acutally has El Paso covered perfectly. Is there anyway I can look up this location to see where they want to get this new tower?
     
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    It's not a tower request, they are bidding on additional wireless spectrum. It is for the whole market.
     
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    The only thing I can think of is that DT wants a/o needs to wait until the SuncomATTCing transaction is complete - meaning getting all the customers on the proper networks etc. That plus the financial reason you noted is my only guess, and that's all it is.
     
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    AT won't catch TM anytime soon. TM passed AT when they both had about 8M subs - since then TM has more than doubled, and AT has added 2M approx. WW only has under 2M domestic subscribers, so you won't see the AT/WW combination catching up to TM anytime soon.

    I do agree though that wireless in 07 will be very different than it was in 02.
     
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    I don't think the merger will allow AT to catch TM right away but I think that once people realize that AT's coverage is better in rural areas than TM they will start switching. I think maybe in 12-18 months AT's numbers will start to resemble TM's. Not that I'll switch, except for my employee plan... hopefully I'll still be able to use my TDMA Timeport P8197.
     
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    Well, the way all these mergers are going, I don't know if there will be any carriers left by 2007. ;)
     
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    I sincerely doubt AT will be adding 1 million customers per quarter in 18 months. TM doesn't compete against AT (or any other carrier really) in rural areas. If you live in a rural area, you probably don't have TM today anyway, so AT won't be getting many customers from AT, IMO. Looking at the map provided by TNDan in the other thread - it looks like AT won't have any spectrum in a whole bunch of top 15 markets - LA, SF, SD, DC/Balt, Phila, NYC, Boston, Chicago. Off the top of my head, I would guess that's 20% or more of the USA in population that they don't have access to.
     
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