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Congress Stand Firm: America Deserves A Legal Decision on Warrantless Wiretapping

Discussion in 'GENERAL Wireless Discussion' started by Shizuka, Oct 12, 2007.

  1. Shizuka

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    Congress Stand Firm: America Deserves A Legal Decision on Warrantless Wiretapping

    October 10, 2007
    The House Judiciary Committee and the House Intelligence Committee both passed the RESTORE Act today, paving the way for a full House vote next week. The RESTORE Act is an attempt to restore civil liberties lost in August, when Congress hurriedly passed the horrible "Protect America Act." The RESTORE Act is a good step forward, although EFF remains deeply concerned about its embrace of so-called “blanket warrants,” which eliminate the time-honored principle that the government must have individualized suspicion of you before it can listen in on your calls or read your email messages.

    EFF has been closely tracking this legislation, both because it directly affects your right to be free from warrantless wiretapping and because the Bush Administration has been pushing for the new law to include retroactive immunity or amnesty for the telephone companies who chose to assist the government in illegal dragnet surveillance of ordinary Americans. The goal of this immunity is to derail lawsuits like the the landmark case EFF has brought on behalf of AT&T customers against the telecom giant, currently pending before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. These cases may be the only way to get a judicial determination about whether the ongoing, massive warrantless surveillance is legal and for putting a stop to it.


    Today President Bush made his loyalties clear. He threatened to veto any bill that does not give full retroactive immunity to the telephone companies. It seems absurd for the President to threaten to use his greatest authority -- to willfully override the directive of the majority of our elected representatives -- in the service of shielding lawbreaking private companies from justice for breaking the law and violating your privacy.

    The fight is not over. The RESTORE Act does not yet have immunity in it. But the pressure to add immunity will undoubtedly grow in the next days and weeks. Congress must hold the line and refuse to cave in to the Administration's demands. The telephone companies have a duty to protect the privacy of the millions of ordinary Americans who are their customers. The evidence that they have failed in that duty is very strong and deserves a full court hearing and decision. If these companies broke the law, they should be held accountable. It’s that simple.[/COLOR]


    Equally important, though, is the need for judicial review of the President's claim that he is above the law and can surveil ordinary Americans at will. The cases against the telecom companies may be the country’s best hope to test the Administration’s extreme view of Executive power, and to allow the judiciary to determine whether we are truly a nation governed by laws or by men.
     
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    If your worried STOP USING TELEPHONES then!

    Okay, but as me and many others on this forum have said and will say again...

    You really should not be worried about wiretapping unless you are a terrorist. I mean unless your doing something illegal/unlawful then you have nothing to worry about.

    And the wiretapping is the same thing as when the US postal service scans through all the mail before its sent looking for bombs, or anthrax. If they find a bomb or anthrax in a postal package then they will isolate it and investigate.

    Wiretapping is the same thing (although the techonlogy is a bit different here). So, instead of it being paper mail its voice. Therefore they scan through the conversations and look for anything suspicious (just as they do in the postal service). If they find something suspicious they will investigate it.

    I mean its not much more. And, if you are really that worried then cancel your landline, and cellular phone services - stop using them. And use the postal service!
     
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    Pc wake up the next step is no free speach at the rate things are going u might be called a threat for speaking your mind on gov actions
     
  4. strunke

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    You really think the next step is that? No offense billp, but we are no where near that. I'm not gonna argue and debate again with Shizuka about this. Logical minds come to the right conclusion so there is no need. And BTW it's not just this administrations view, this has been happening and always will. Hillary Clinton and her minions themselves used wiretapping, this time REALLY illegal with no cause but political gain. But she keeps saying she is against it, just to dupe people and get votes. Which way is the wind blowing today? God help us if she is President....
     
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    Is this a political forum?
     
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    Yea I think that is where this where this thread is headed.
     
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    No but it is a healthy debate that should be had. And i do belive good ol gw is not above the law
     
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    If you don't like the President, there are places to express that but this is a wireless forum.
     
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    Yes millions of places. Especially places funded by leftwing propaganda artists such as MediaMatters, Dailykos, moveon.org, thousands perhaps millions of other places.
     
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    Sad thing is 2 many pepole donot want 2 hear the what both sides are saying then wonder how some thing came 2 pass and in a way wire taps have alot to do with cell phones
     
  11. RJB

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    Straight from JFB's bible
    Dont let it get like this or I could see your thread going bye bye
     
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    Yea that is a slippery slope the thread is trying to get up.
     
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    I guss my quote put a damper on this lol
     

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