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Company sues to allow selling Cell Phone Jamming equipment to local & States

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  1. Fire14

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    Company challenges FCC rules on cell phone-jamming gear


    A small Florida company is taking on the Federal Communications Commission to change regulations prohibiting the sale of equipment used to scramble cell phone signals to local and state agencies.
    The company, CellAntenna, filed a lawsuit in the U.S. Court of Appeals in the 11th Circuit in Atlanta on November 22 challenging the Communications Act of 1934, which is enforced by the FCC. The 1934 act and the FCC regulations that go along with it prohibit the use of cellular and radio frequency-jamming equipment, except by federal agencies. This means that local and state officials are not permitted to use such equipment, which could be used to help prevent terrorist attacks.

    "In order to effectively and safely execute a raid on a house, you need the element of surprise."
    --Mathew Lamita, police department, Dearborn, Mich. CellAntenna argues that the Communications Act and the FCC regulations that interpret the law are unconstitutional because they are in conflict with the Homeland Security Act of 2002, adopted by Congress in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    It's widely known in the intelligence and law enforcement communities that cell phones can be used to remotely detonate some types of bombs. The electrical properties for most batteries used today in cell phones provide enough energy to produce the necessary spark or power to detonate a blasting cap or a modified electrical match, which is often used in plastic explosives. Also, built-in alarms and timing mechanisms available on even low-end cell phones make it easy to use even the simplest and cheapest mobile devices as tools to set off bombs.
    Cell phones are believed to have been used in the Madrid train bombings in 2004. And they've been used effectively during the past few years by insurgents to trigger roadside explosions in Iraq. Equipment made by companies such as CellAntenna that can jam or block cellular signals is used by the U.S. military in Iraq to help protect convoys traveling through known trouble spots.

    But here in the United States only federal government agencies are allowed to use cell phone scrambling equipment. Local and state law enforcement agencies, which would be the first responders to a terrorist attack here at home, are prohibited by law from obtaining such gear.

    "It just doesn't make much sense that the FBI can use this equipment, but that the local and state governments, which the Homeland Security Act has acknowledged as being an important part of combating terrorism, cannot," said Howard Melamed, chief executive of CellAntenna. "We give local police guns and other equipment to protect the public, but we can't trust them with cellular-jamming equipment? It doesn't make sense."

    It is this point that is a key element in CellAntenna's argument in its case against the FCC.

    "Whereas the FCC prohibits the sale of radio frequency and cellular jammers to state and local police departments, the Homeland Security Act consistently and repeatedly directs the Department of Homeland Security to take whatever measures are necessary to empower local law enforcement agencies and first responders in the fight against global terrorism."

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    Indeed, the Homeland Security Act specifically states that one of the functions of the Department of Homeland Security is to research, develop, test and evaluate for federal, state and local law enforcement agencies equipment that can be used "in counterterrorism, including devices and technology to disable terrorist devices."

    While CellAntenna has based much of its case around the use of its gear to prevent terrorism, Melamed acknowledged the gear could be very useful to law enforcement officials in other capacities. For example, jamming equipment is used in Latin American and Caribbean prisons to prevent inmates from using cell phones to run criminal operations while they serve jail time. Prisons in the U.S., which are mostly run by the state, are prohibited from using such gear.
    Mathew Lamita, a corporal with the Dearborn Police Department in Michigan agrees that cell phone-jamming equipment could be a big help. In addition to potentially disabling a bomb, he said, scrambling cell phone communications during a hostage crisis could also be useful.

    Where the technology would likely get the most use is during narcotics raids, when officers could use equipment to locally disable cell phones and walkie-talkies used by lookouts in neighborhoods where drug busts are common, he added.

    "In order to effectively and safely execute a raid on a house, you need the element of surprise," he said. "A single tip from someone calling on a cell phone or a walkie-talkie down the street can compromise the entire raid."

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6139854.html?tag=nl.r28011
     
  2. CellAntenna

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    As an update, this is far from over. We released another petition yesterday, I'll post more information as we proceed. Jamming is a necessary tool for local bomb squads and first responders. Check out more information on cell phone jamming
     
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    I personally don't think it's a good idea to allow the sales of cellphone jamming equipment to the general public.

    For the local on up to federal level for police & military usage yes, but that would be the extent & only during times of an actual terrorist event or threat.

    Most 1st responders use & need cellphones for communication prior & during emergencies and this would hamper them even more then the radio systems.

    During bombings it's known that the biggest idea of the terrorist is a 2nd device to kill & injure 1st responders no matter whom the bomber is, and a jammer would help prevent this from happening and this is where it should be used & allowed. Again for descretionary use and time, not everytime someone thinks it's a terrorist event.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. That is why we have a very lengthy and complicated case in front of us. Federal level is legal and understandable. Thats the first extreme. The other extreme is general public use. BIG NO-NO... there are 40329348 reasons of why jamming equipment should not only not be available to the general public, but should be strictly enforced. A few of which are:

    1) Improper use can & will damage towers and equipment
    2) Communication cannot be interrupted unless absolutely life or death necessary
    3) Service providers would not be too happy with a box that makes people stop using minutes, even for seconds!

    Our fight is to authorize use of jamming equipment to LOCAL ENFORCEMENT, ie: the NYPD Bomb Squad.

    Keep in mind, our primary business is boosting signal, not eliminating it. That is why we provide first responders with portable repeater systems, like our CAE-750 Rapid Deployment Repeater Systems.
     
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    Interesting topic, and I'd like to see how this plays out.

    What are the main arguments for each side?
    The "for" reasons are stated above (bomb squads and drug raids makes the most sense).
    What are the reasons "against"? It was mentioned operators wouldn't like losing revenue, and the risk of damaged basestations.

    I'd also imagine the fear that if every local police force in the country had them, theres a big possibility of widespread mis-use? (ie: cops "playing" with them, or using them indiscriminately?)

    Cellphone jammers are used often in other parts of the world (in mosques during prayer time, government buildings, movie theatres, etc.) but in most of these countries, there's no suing and not much debate. You don't really see cellphone jammers much in N.America or Europe.
     
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    i see no need for them in reastrunts or schools or work places isee the cell a a saftey item in them but we have rude fools to thank for it
     
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    You don't see them here in the US because it's illegal to use them by the FCC ruling & I believe with all our freedoms & rights being tested everyday since 9/11, it is just another issue that can be used or should I say abused by the goverment towards the people.

    Sometimes you wish you could have a small portable one to use when people are being rude with them, but we know that isn't pratical or right either, people need to learn & use common sense in places like movie theaters, places of worship, school ect...
     
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    This is the first time this document has been released to the public. The following link is a PDF of our exact petition filing for our case with the FCC. This document describes in detail our intentions, as well as our guidelines for use of Cell Phone / RF Jamming Equipment.

    Read it here: http://www.1rfr.com/FCC/Petition%20filing-06-07-07y.pdf

    I'm sure this will answer most questions, and I hope this community and others will join us in our fight against this injustice.

    Thanks again from all of us at CellAntenna Corporation: Building Repeaters, Cellular Antennas, accessories, cellphone products.
     

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    im ok with this but only by certified persons and not avaliable to the public under any circumstances in case of idiots trying to just be mean
     
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    lol.......
     
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    Wirelessly posted (LGE-VX8300/1.0 UP.Browser/6.2.3.2 (GUI) MMP/2.0)

    See no need for local police to have them it would make it 2 easy 4 some small town or iner city cops 2 have one more tool 2 hars certan pepole with if cop is prone 2 it
     
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    That is part of my concern here, they would have to set it up so it went out with say a SWAT team or other response team for terrorist threats or bombings.
     
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    the local cops here still ask teens do they deal drugs when they stop them and see they have a nice cell phone
     
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    i withdraw what i said they should still be illegal unless in a time of chrisis
     
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    I've yet to see a jammer that ONLY jams the cellular and or PCS blocks. If they claim to jam Nextel then that's an even wider swath of spectrum it's going to trash.

    Numerous public safety systems share the same general area as Nextel and Cellular and the jammers I see for sale aren't designed to jam around those frequency blocks, they just take out all the frequencies from 800ish - 2gigs.
     
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    Then this would be a bigger problem then originally thought, I would not want to see something that will hurt communications that wide & effect PS communications.
     
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    Thank you all so much for your continued response on this issue! Here are some clarifications and reminders...

    I would first like to remind everyone of CellAntenna's intentions on the increased availability of our Cell Phone Jamming Systems.

    Keep in mind, that our business is amplifying cell signal. We have spent years helping people to better communicate. Years of such service, and thousands of stories reminding us how bad a loss of communication can be has made it difficult for us to endorse such a product.

    Because CellAntenna is one of the leading systems integrators for cell phone repeaters for buildings including hotels, schools, and even hospitals, we have a team of engineers working very hard to develop solutions. It was when they realized how easy it was to turn a cell phone into a remote trigger for an improvised explosive device that we knew we had to get involved. We have since been personally thanked by troops for our efforts at thwarting bombs in the course of their service, and with that comes a reminder that this is a good technology.

    We have petitioned to have this available to FIRST RESPONDERS and BOMB SQUADS under the federal level. If abuse is a concern, then you need to remember that a box that silences cell phones isn’t the most dangerous addition to a bomb squad’s arsenal. Police and emergency officials have trusted these individuals to free access of a number of very dangerous devices and substances because they have proven themselves as a trustworthy protector of life and safety.

    In further response to the threat of abuse we have integrated a new feature: FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION FOR OPERATION

    I’m sure that you are all interested in the technical details of our CJam cell phone jamming products, and you can find full details, including spectrum and frequency information on our site here:

    http://www.CJam.com Cell Phone Jamming Products to Fight Terror and Save Lives
     
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    thats a good feature but im sure if someone was able to get one there is prpbably some way to hack around it
     
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    why not just make the are you dont want cell phone use one large fariday (SP) cage baiscly copper screen in walls and door and celling grounding out incomming and out going radio waves.
     
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    Many local police forces are so corrupt that federal agencies won't work with them. A majority of the force could be great, but it just takes one bad apple.

    So why do I want local police forces to jam cell phones? The most likely use for this equipment would be for local cops to harass people, including wives and girlfriends.
     
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    Huh?? Cops have nothing better to do other than harrass wives and girlfriends with cell jamming equipment? :loony: That makes no sense.
     
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    I absolutely agree, specially with the only during part.
    It is illegal per FCC ruling as Fire mentioned but there are other ways around it. I personaly know of a couple of Concert Halls that the wall construction is based on the principles of a Farady cage.
    Ofcourse they do, they are too busy setting up speed traps for innocent drivers. :p. (Sorry buddy, I had to throw that in ;))
     
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    LoL....yeah like poor Steve got lured into that one time :O
     
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    "Domestic violence is 2 to 4 times more common in police families than in the general population."

    Domestic Violence in Police Families

     
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    Lets keep the subject on topic, I personally know of many police officers that wouldn't use a device like this for personal usage.

    The DV issue is not something for this thread & not a subject everyone knows about or fully understands, this is a wireless forum.
     
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    I agree, but the whole thread isn't on topic. Why post about a petition to allow police officers to use a jamming device in a forum for people who want to get advice about phones?

     
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    Actually if you read the whole thread, the company CellAntenna (which has posted a reply here) is looking for support for this ability for Goverment agencies to use Jamming equipment, as of right now they are not allowed to here in the US, and it is not just for Police officers, but Federal agents, Fire Depts. or whichever agency may need to use it at a possible bombing or bomb scare to prevent a device from being detonated by a wireless device. (you know like in Spain or what they are using in Iraq)

    So he feels people that come here, have the knowlege & understanding of the concepts & would give support for this suit.

    I actually think it's a perfect place to have a conversation like this, to find everyones views & may help the company understand peoples concerns better.
     
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    You are one of the people who are kind enough to moderate these threads for us; so I certainly will abide by the rules you set. But with all due respect, I did read the entire thread before I posted. I understand that the company is looking for support here. And I was adding my opinion, partially through ridicule (to avoid a really long post) about why they should not be supported.

     
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    And that is fine on adding your opinion on why they shouldn't be allowed & I agree they could be abused in the wrong hands & this is a very valid point, I just felt it was going off topic on your link of the "Main" reason you think they would abuse it.

    We do want & support other peoples opinions & thoughts & please don't think I was trying to squash that in any way & if it appeared that way I appoligize. I am sure myself & others will enjoy your continued posts & input.
     

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