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AT&T Scales Back GSM Conversion?

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  1. tangobythebay

    tangobythebay Junior Member
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    AT&T Scales Back GSM Conversion?

    Has anyone read the article "AT&T Wireless Curtails 3-G Plan To Just Four Cities" in today's Wall Street Journal? My understanding of the article is that AT&T Wireless revised an agreement it had with NTT DoCoMo. The agreement had committed AT&T to expand GSM to 13 cities by mid-2003 and was revised to 4 cities by the end of 2004. The 4 cities are: San Francisco, Seattle, Dallas and San Diego, although the revised agreement allows AT&T to substitute other cities for Dallas and San Diego.

    This article raises several questions in my mind that I'm wondering if someone else cares to comment on or even provide answers to. (1) Is the revision of the agreement a reflection of AT&T's revising its expansion plans? (2) What happens to all the other cities where AT&T launched GSM, such as NYC, Miami, etc.? Will AT&T continue to build out in those cities? (3) If AT&T is slowing down its GSM expansion, is it surrendering the GSM market to T-Mobile? (4) Does anyone have any information on T-Mobile's expansion plans?
     
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    They're scaling back GSM's next phase. AT&T is still on track to go GSM everywhere, but the next step for data service after GSM is launched (W-CDMA) is being scaled back. The initial rollout is still scheduled as planned as far as I understand it. So here are some answers to your questions:

    1. Again, not the initial rollout, but the next phase after this one.
    2. Nothing will happen, and yes, the rollout will continue.
    3. Not applicable. No, they are not surrendering anything. Both AT&T and Cingular are committed to get rid of the (aging) TDMA.
    4. I have no idea what T-Mo will do. They seem to be slowly expanding and filling in gaps, but that's all I know. It's similar to what Sprint is doing (although Sprint does put up new towers faster and in greater quantity).
     
  3. tangobythebay

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    Thank you for your clarification. I thought 3-G meant GSM, which is how some people at AT&T use the terminology. In the article, 3-G refers to W-CDMA. I am relieved to understand that AT&T is continuing with its GSM expansion.

    I am also pleased to hear that San Francisco, where I live, will be one of the first W-CDMA site, although I do not know what benefits W-CDMA offers above GSM. Anyone cares to clarify?

    I am still curious about T-Mobile's plans, if anyone has any information.
     
  4. jmccrane

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    W-CDMA simply offers more bandwith (the W stands for "wideband"). The idea is that it will offer enough to do video on a mobile phone, possibly even live video. In comparison to GSm, it just offers more bandwith on the data side (no significant advantage on the voice side).
     
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    For the regular voice user W-CDMA will mean 2 potatoes. The voice side will still use GSM.
     
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    Hey, what's wrong with 2 potatoes? That's a good complement to dinner as far as I'm concerned! [​IMG]
    Seriously though, like I said the voice side will stay GSM. There's not much more you can do to the voice side of cell phones now (besides incrementally increase capacity). It's already pretty clear and efficient.
     
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    Oh boy, I can't wait to watch MPEG files on a 3cm square screen. I can just see it now. "Wow, that's a violent movie you're watching, he's bleeding to death." "No, I think that's marinara sauce from the ziti I had for lunch."
     
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    Of course there's more you can do to the voice side....how about surround sound for the movie ZaphodB wants to see? [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, wCDMA completely changes the way that voice is transmitted.
     
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    Is WCDMA related to GSM at all? For instance, would AT&T (GSM) have an easier time upgrading to WCDMA, or would Verizon (Already CDMA) have an easier time?
     
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    Wouldn't that probably be because the WCDMA/GPRS/3G-GSM technology doesn't work yet? And furthermore, because it uses separate spectrum that might need to be re-allocated away from voice?

    WCDMA and CDMA2000 are completely separate competing (and incompatible) systems.

    Verizon, and particularly Sprint, are having an easier time upgrading to CDMA2000 than AT&T is having upgrading to WCDMA.

    WCDMA (or GPRS) is the 3G system GSM carriers were planning to upgrade to (not backward compatible with GSM, and it doesn't appear to work properly yet).

    CDMA2000 is the 3G system that CDMA carriers are already upgrading to (it's backward compatible with CDMA, and works great, dynamically allocating bandwidth on existing spectrum between CDMA and CDMA2000 (voice and data) as needed).
     
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    Well, I think thegonagle is asking who will have an easier path to WCDMA.
    AT&T GSM has an easier path to WCDMA than Verizon because although WCDMA and CDMA2000 are spread spectrum air interfaces they will run on two different core networks. GSM is already on the core for WCDMA.
     
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