AT&T Data Services Defined

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That is very good info thank-you, although a lot of that still confuses me somewhat. I did notice in my message settings on my SE there is a push setting what is that?

 

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Thank-you

 

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I've been using the unlimited media net ($20/mo) tethered to my computer for about 6 months now and they have not billed me for any extra usage.

-Jay

 

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Yes, I always hear that, but I have never heard of anyone getting caught unless they are so stupid as to use an insane amount of bandwidth.

-Jay

 

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I use a Sierra 860 3G Aircard on my laptop. All I had to do was change the Access Point from ISP.CINGULAR to WAP.CINGULAR to get it to connect.

If you have the regular MediaNet $19.99 package, you don't have access to ISP.CINGULAR access point. You need to be on a Laptop Connect or PDA Connect plan to be able to access it.

Since this is my first month using the aircard, the fever of playing with it and doing speed tests on 3G, etc. have made me run about 100MB on the aircard and the Treo combined. I move my SIM card between them. According to OLAM it is all being charged at the regular MediaNet rate. I don't expect to accumulate that much usage in subsequent months due to my excitement calming down.

Here's what I got in one of my speed tests using HSDPA:

 

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Is there any advantage to using isp.cingular instead of wap.cingular? I am still able to surf all sites and use 3G data.

-Jay

 

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Well then I really don't care as I don't have a VPN.

-Jay

 

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That's correct. With WAP.CINGULAR you get an IP address in the range of 10.x.x.x which is a private IP behind a NAT router basically. If you were to connect to ISP.CINGULAR, then you would get a public IP, which means you actually get your own IP direct to the internet, rather than going through a NAT router.

 

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since i just got my first laptop, im beginning to understand some of this, i started out using isp, but now use wap, the speed seams the same.

 

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Hi,

New member here. Great forum and informative thread. Thanks, nKrypteD1!

I'm a newbie at tethering. My setup is a SE w810i, Cingular service, and a Mac Powerbook with Bluetooth.

Using the instructions above, I've successfully connected to the ISPDA.CINGULAR APN via Bluetooth tether, but I'm not getting any data transfer. The phone to computer connection says 2400 bps. Huh?

Any suggestions will be most appreciated.

Matt

 

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No responses? Maybe I wasn't clear about my troubles, sorry. I'll try again.

My bluetooth tethered SE w810i will connect my Powerbook to both the ISPDA and ISP points, but no traffic seems to flow.

It connects at a ridiculously low 2400 bps (yes, that's 2.4 Kps). When I attempt to load a web-page, Safari does nothing but spin its wheel for a few minutes, then gives me a "Not Connected.." error. But Internet Connect shows that I am in fact still connected.

I'm using a T39 19.2 V110 modem script and I've disabled TCP Header Compression as suggested here

Any ideas, anyone? I've searched until my eyes ache, but haven't found a solution that works.

TIA

Matt

 

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Thanks nKrypteD1,

I've concluded that it may be the service at my house. I live in a rural area of Colorado. My service is an affiliate of Cingular/T-mobile called Viaero. When I'm at my home, my phone is using the Viaero towers. In the urban areas nearby (Denver, Colorado Springs etc...) it switches to either Cingular or T-Mobile.

My theory, evidenced by the blank look on my salesperson face when I started quizzing her about my problems, is they know almost zilch about wireless internet. There's probably not much of a demand out here. Consequently, I'll bet their towers aren't setup for data transfer, or at least they haven't fine tuned this functionality, yet. Hopefully it'll work when I travel to town in the near future.

That said, any info that you may uncover will be most appreciated.

Matt

 

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Whoa, that's one long and technical thread!! It'll take me a while to sleuth thru all of that info. :googlyeye

Thanks, and have a great holiday season, nKrypteD1

Matt

 

Inexpensive Data

Noob question here - Is there any way you can explain to me how to pay only $20 month for Media Net using a cingular phone. I want to either purchase a treo 750 or a TYTN. I also want to tether to a laptop.... I know it's alot to ask for but $45+ a month is CRAZY. Thanks. I really appreciate your expertise.

You can reach me on this forum at aamsergie or email at aamsergie@hotmail.com.

 

I'd like to echo the post above - $45 a month is crazy for what you get (or, more specifically, what my wife needs).

We're going to purchase a new Treo 680 tomorrow, and will have to add a data plan, since the main point of the purchase is to be able to check her HOTMAIL email at work (hospital setting with long hours and no personal computers).

So, I am throwing myself on the mercy of the forum: What data plan should I sign her up for?

Here's some background info to help the recommendations. She needs to get a PalmOS device, because she has previously purchased programs that she uses at work. Second, I have a Blackberry from work, and she became hooked while we were on vacation to Push email (I put her Hotmail account on it while we were away). I guess this is a side question, but her Hotmail will sync, right?

Help and thanks!

theBOAT

 

Thanks for the tips - we'll be heading to the store in a few hours. Hopefully they'll have a full unit to play around with and test if she likes the Treo or not! If not, then it'll be a Crackberry, and I know how they work with email accounts.

theBOAT

 

I got the 750 because I wanted UMTS (which will be upgraded to HSDPA eventually and WM6 by the end of the year) and I needed windows mobile platform. I got the media net for 19.99 which is unlimited data and 200 text messages. You can pull hotmail email from your phone at whatever setting you want. I have mine set to every 15 min. Anything faster will probably affect battery life. Plus I don't want to be connected to a phone looking at it every 5min like a trained monkey. I am very happy with my plan and my phone. If my phone had PTT - it would be the best phone on the market....

 

This really is a great thread. All of it's right too.

 

This is a very interesting discussion:

Over at the AT&T Support forums you will find an interesting thread that details what I and many others have experienced: I bought a Blackjack in May of this year as my two year upgrade/contract renewal. I specifically picked the Blackjack because the info on AT&T's Website specifically states that the phone is compatible with MEdia(TM)Net. Not the MEdiaNet Website. The MEdiaNet Service. No phone on the AT&T website is advertised as being compatible with any particular website. It is clearly advertised as part of the phone's specs. Just to be on the safe side, I asked CS over the phone if it was ok for me to use my existing MEdiaNet account with the phone and was assured multiple times that it was not a problem. Anyone who has this phone and goes into settings/connections/GPRS clearly sees "MediaNet" settings for this phone. So, I waltzed into the AT&T support forums and a particular thread (which is linked to in the other thread below), where an AT&T employee states that the Blackjack is considered by AT&T Wireless to be a "PDA" and not a smartphone and that using MEdiaNet with the Blackjack or suggesting such use is equal to fraud. They are banning anyone from that forum who suggests anything about NOT using a PDA connect plan or using "the wrong data plan"(MEdiaNet) on the Blackjack. Apparently numerous customers are being sold Blackjack phones and MEdiaNet services by CS reps who the forum mods claim are "wrong and need to be "retrained". The mods on the AT&T support forum attempt to minimize the discussion in that thread by suggesting that CS reps need to be retrained, as well as threatening that AT&T will prosecute any customer who knowingly commits fraud by buying the wrong data plan. That didn't work. The thread is 80+ posts long and should be read by anyone who either has a Blackjack or uses MEdiaNet on a PDA or Smartphone. I don't particularly like the tactics I see being used in the support forums on this issue, and I have a problem with the "bait and switch tactic" being used by CS reps to sell Blackjack phones with MEdiaNet services just to make their monthly sales quotas, which appear to be very strict. I've written and sent an e-mail the the Senior VP of Customer service, who I should receive a reply from (someone in her office) within two business days (If I do not, I will write to her again. The third e-mail will go directly to the CEO and I will fill his inbox until my CS issues are dealt with to my satisfaction (I have some other CS issues related to my account that are unresolved after 3 weeks, two open cases, and 6 customer service reps)

I think it's important to clarify the above issue, from someone here (particularly if you work for AT&T) who isn't trying to scare Blackjack users into buying $40+ Data plans or attempting to misinform the public about which phones can or cannot use MEdiaNet services. Sorry about the length of this message and if it appears to be off topic it's really not, as part of this thread deals with the use of MEdiaNet services. You should all know what's going on at the Customer Service thread regarding this issue if any of you use a Samsung Blackjack.

See thread below and while there,click on the link to the "Official Data Plan thread" a few posts down for more info. Something is fishy over at AT&T regarding the use of MEdiaNet on the Blackjack. Check it out:

What have I done? - Samsung - Wireless Forums from AT&T

 

Well.. here goes. I'm a bit drunk. So bare with me and send me any PMs if you have questions...

I was an at&t employee for 11+ months so I have a little knowledge abou the way things work..

Media Max plans will work on a Blackjack, the only draw back is that when these plans are added they do not provision isp.cingular to your account. They only provision wap.cingular to your account. While this may not have much impact on your immediate web browsing, they do impact the amount of data the network will server up to your demands. With wap.cingular they only allow you X amount of bandwidth. With isp.cingular they allow you.... say [value] X 3 of bandwidth... so if you're tethering you'd prefer to have isp.cingular rather than wap.cingular.. or if you're pulling down massive amounts of data from your 3G device you'd prefer to have isp.cingular... but for simple web browsing needs wap.cingular will work just fine..


That's why at&t prefers you have the $39.99 PDA connect plan so that when you're pulling down massive amounts of data you're paying more money to cover the cost of the extra data they're supporting I'm not sure if this helps much as I am drunk as shi* right now, just know that's what I learned from working from them such a long time. And since I don't work for them any longer, ___k those money grubbing bastards..

 

Oh I don't use much data.

My MEdiaNet Basic allows 1mb of data, 250 txt messages and 50MM messages. The only time I went over the 1mb was when I got the Blackjack and had set it up with my yahoo mail account for me to manually get my e-mail, or so I thought. I didn't think the Blackjack did "push mail" like the Blackberry, so I went over the first month. Paid it and all was fine. Right now I don't need any sort of unlimited data. All I need is to occasionally check weather, sports scores, and my data usage. I use text messages more than any other feature. It just burns me that the thing is clearly advertised as being compatible with MEdiaNet while the mods at the AT&T forum are banning people for even a hint of using the Blackjack with MEdiaNet instead of some expensive data plan. I don't need to spend $100 or more a month for a cell phone bill. I'm sure others feel that way too.

Thanks for confirming that the Blackjack works with MEdiaNet. Now if AT&T would allow users who don't use much data to use a plan that isn't expensive, that'd be great, but I don't see it happening.

 

Wirelessly posted (Palm750/v0000 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320) UP.Link/6.3.1.17.0)

I can also verify that MediaNet works with the Blackjack.