This is an oppurtunity to add some speculation and discussion back to this forum. We seem to be getting swamped with "how do I do this" and "where can I download ..." type postings lately and little new content. Not since the anticipation of the V710 has this forum really been alive. Feb. 5 is the Super Bowl. Moto will unveil two never before seen commercials. If you thought the PEBL release the other day has been overshadowed by SLVR, this will even the score. Feb. 13 is 3GSM World Congress in Spain. This is when key GSM product announcements are made. Companies want to generate excitement about their upcoming portfolio so if you were thinking of buying a LG phone tomorrow you might wait if you knew an even better Moto was coming soon. I don't expect the RAZR II to be announced. It is just too soon. I expect the PEBL to get the same color treatment as the RAZR, maybe even more choices. The problem is sometimes phone announcements don't gurantee a phone will ever be released. Companies also don't want to give up the plans to their must have Christmas phone 6 weeks into the year. The first week of April is CTIA when CDMA lineups are announced. Moto Q for Verizon may be launched that week. I'm also hearing some talk of Apple releasing their long rumored phone by Q3 06. It will be GSM. One publically mentioned phone is the scalpel (SCPL) which is rumored to once again make Moto the undisputed king of thin. One last item, the RAZR II is not the most top secret of new Moto phones from what I've been told. As Yoda once said, there is another.
Bonoriffic, as always we look forward to your announcements, thanks for the updates, can't wait to see what Motorola will unveil on Feb 13. Are there any pictures of the SCPL?
So, it's so thin, it doesn't photograph? =) The PEBL in color, we already knew about, to an extent - Phonescoop had photos from MotoNext (I think) of the PEBL in neon-ish colors...although I'm curious about your "and even more choices" comment... Despite the fact that (almost certainly) very little of the cool stuff will be headed for CDMA, I'm curious about the Apple phone you mentioned. Is this another ROKR abortion, or an honest-to-goodness Apple design? And you mentioned that it's GSM - is it going to one of the major carriers, or will Apple launch an MVNO, like so many have been theorizing? Finally, regarding the Q - I could understand Moto waiting for a tradeshow to release the Q, but wouldn't they lose a lot of market to the Treo 700W by waiting until April?
A phone branded by Apple. Nothing to do with Moto. Moto can't release what Verizon drags their feet in testing...
Bono, I laughed at this last statement but I think it's a leap to assume Verizon is the one dragging their feet. What I'm hearing is Motorola was way late in getting the phone to Verizon to test. I do agree Verizon is testing and it sounds like you are familiar with their testing cycles so it will be awhile, maybe April, before we see this phone.
I doubt any of the major players would give Apple any help. There are some "cell phone on a chip" designs that have been available now that may be used. Much like the iPod I expect this device to be pleasing to the eye in form and shape, have an excellent UI, and under perform in the cell phone functions and be way over priced. As this is Apple, most likely they will not include a caller ID LCD and Steve Jobs will tell the masses that you don't need it because life is random. People will blindly accept this. The phone will also instantly scratch and the battery will not be replaceable. The announcement event will feature performance claims that will quickly be found to be impossible lies. Every 5 years the phone will change their core network, forcing all users to buy a new phone. Although the phone has changed networks, the software doesn't yet support it so the first to buy the new phone will endure painfully slow "network emulation". Don't worry, the next operating system patch will be shortly available and cost $129. Lets also not forget that every cell phone created after the Apple phone will have copied Apple's design. Apple invented the cell phone.
Just so nobody gets the wrong idea and converts this to a Microsoft vs. Apple thread, I can go old school Apple IIGS on you to show my Apple roots. Lets not lose focus of the thread, which is new and rumored Motos.
Is this not a picture of the scpl? http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/13/motorolas-new-scalpel-on-the-way/ I had seen a "glowing" pebl on an israeli gadget site, which I had posted the link to a while back. There was also talk of a RAZR smartphone on that site. The other interesting rumor was that Motorola was bringing back the Vader. I just realized how much of a genius bono is.
That isn't a picture of the SCPL, it just shows relative size to a SLVR and RAZR. The $40 price seems a reach, but I can say it is most likely a phone for the low end of the price spectrum. By bringing back the Vader what do you mean? People attribute many different phones to the Vader.
Gotcha. The vader I was refering to was this. Something in the realm of 3 ounces. Perhaps something of those dimensions with a RAZR thickness. Now that would be something. Unless, of course, the figured out how to make Derek Zoolander's phone. S
In late 2005, Ron Garriques mentioned several new form factors... Next year [Motorola] hopes to create similar excitement with new phone designs including one with a rotating cover the user turns to open, a phone with a cover that slides open... Also, apparently the GSM version of the Motorola Q has been cancelled. There are rumors that a French website has confirmed this.
The never announced European GSM Q has been cancelled. If you can even cancel something that never existed. There are multiple Q's in the works and GSM/3G will get one this year. Verizon will just get it first this April.
For an update, 3GSM kicked off today and everyone showed off new phones except for Moto. They may be waiting until later in the week, but most likely they are going to try and keep their poker face as long as they can. The Z, or RAZR slider was confirmed as coming to the rest of the world. The SCPL was also confirmed as existing, and that was about all that was said. For a company that likes to announce phones years in advance, I'm amazed they were able to keep their mouth zipped. It is going to get krazy in a few months. What was announced was the "Q" will be coming to Europe, GSM, and UMTS. I put Q in quotes for a reason as nobody ever said it will be the same Q form factor being tested for Verizon.
Thanks for the update Bono... i am glad to hear we are getting the Z, after seeing the pictures i think i'll hold off for that one instead of going for the SLVR, now the waiting begins....
Bono, they announced a GSM "Q"? I heard that was cancelled too. What did they say about it? I understand your point of it might not be the same form factor so are we to assume another smart phone like Q? Any info would be appreciated.
For a variety of reasons I am going to simplify my statement to just say Q for UMTS was announced and won't mention it again.
No, no, no, no, no, no... there never was a GSM version of the 'Q.' The website where I got that information was mistaken, it appears. I'm going to try and help bono clarify the mess I helped to create. I said this... But I was wrong... There never was a GSM 'Q' in development, but there is a similar smartphone in development for UMTS, which is a thrid generation technology that is backwards-compatible with GSM, meaning you can still use it on GSM-only networks but many of the advanced functions will not work. Hope this helps to clarify. Here's an article about this... Motorola Unveils BlackBerry Competitor The Q phone, with a 'Qwerty' keyboard, is expected to be Motorola's flagship entry into the developing 3G battles. By W. David Gardner TechWeb News Feb 13, 2006 05:46 PM Motorola said Monday that a UMTS version of its Motorola Q smart phone is being developed. The much-anticipated Q -- for QWERTY keyboard -- has already been slated to be available for CDMA/EV-DO network use, although Motorola indicated that it hasn't yet forged any concrete relationships with cell phone service providers for use of the phone. The Q phone is expected to be Motorola's flagship entry into the developing 3G battles and is targeted to compete with Research in Motion's Blackberry family, and Palm's Treo as well as with a host of newer entries in the market. Motorola's announcement Monday indicated that the CDMA/EV-DO networks would get the Q first. "The first Q is expected to ship with CDMA/EV-DO capabilities later this quarter with the newly unveiled version expected to be available for operator trials in late Q4 2006," Motorola's announcement stated. In the U.S. EV-DO is used by Verizon Wireless, which has a head start with the Qualcomm-developed high-speed data network. Sprint has also been introducing EV-DO. Potential candidates for a UMTS version of the Q could be Cingular Wireless and T-Mobile. Motorola also showcased several additional products and services at the 3GSM World Congress. The firm said it was working with NTT DoCoMo, Orange and T-Mobile to develop High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) enabled products for networks that can achieve a downlink data rate of up to 3.6Mbps. Teaming up with Yahoo, Motorola was preparing demonstrations of Yahoo podcasts on Mototola RAZR V3x handsets. The two firms have been collaborating in recent months to make a range of Yahoo products and services available on Motorola devices. Motorola also launched its Motorola Reach portfolio of GSM network solutions. The effort features GSM base stations and associated products aimed at extending wireless call coverage in rural and remote areas.
MOTOhooligan, I hear ya but I disagree with 1 point that there never was a GSM Q. I have some inside sources that have confirmed it's existence and subsequent cancellation. That said, I understand by Bono's clarification he was referring to a UMTS Q. I hadn't heard of Motorola coming out with a UMTS version in 2006 before now. Thanks to MOTOHooligan's article we now have confirmation. Next question, does anyone really think Motorola can launch a UMTS version of this phone by end of the year? The CDMA version hasn't exactly been rushed to market. In my opinion the answer is a definite NO!
Read Moto's statements carefully. They will make the UMTS Q available to carriers in Q4 2006. That doesn't mean it will be launched this year.
Huh? Forgive my ignorance here but what's the difference? I hate when companies play semantics with their press releases. Just tell us the facts and don't play games with the truth.
Carriers hold back phones. Verizon approved the A840 for sale and then waited several months before actually making it available. Sometimes they wait for inventory of another phone to get low before introducing a new phone. Other times they wait for supply to be large so they won't sell out. Moto can't predict the on sale date. This statement also covers their butt for late changes at the carriers request. Changing a menu item to a different spelling has minimal impact, but a request to suddenly support a new video codec for example is a huge impact. Carriers make these changes all the time. If you think anyone can give an exact date with all these variables, you have never developed software or hardware.
I think something like this, is what was meant. http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/04/20/motorola-canary-surfaces-set-to-be-razr-successor/ Any info?
Yes that picture has been posted all over different cell phone forums, and definitely not the SCPL (Moto, how do you know that, i thought i was the only one, well besides a very reliable source we have here at WA ) I also hear it's coming this summer.
Engadget mobile has some better pics here. Anyone else notice that it looks like this phone, whatever it's called, will be running Moto's newer Linux "no menu key" OS...?
Yeah that sounds about right. :wink: I've been sitting on this one for awhile, although some may have already noticed the release date and name have already been revealed in this forum. The engadget article has taken info from other sites before and added their own incorrect assumptions. Anyone remember the ROKR story lifted from this site but with a crazy wrong twist. This phone is a RAZR hybrid. What it isn't is the RAZR II. The true next generation RAZR is much cooler than this phone. The most obvious departure from the RAZR will be that it is much more narrow.