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2004 Thread: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

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    Vodafone Makes Bid
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    Vodafone Group PLC, the world's largest wireless carrier by revenue, has made a bid of about $35 billion (€27.47 billion) for AT&T Wireless Services Inc., people close to the situation said, roughly matching the bid made Friday by Cingular Wireless.


    By Anita Raghavan in London and Almar Latour and Jesse Drucker in New York



    As the bids submitted are similar, AT&T Wireless's advisers asked the companies to hand in a second round of offers on Sunday, turning the contest to buy the third-largest U.S. wireless carrier into a global bidding war.

    People familiar with the situation said Nextel Communications Inc. and NTT DoCoMo Inc. didn't enter a bid, meaning the contest to buy AT&T Wireless is a two-horse race. People close to the situation said a decision between Vodafone and Cingular could come soon, though AT&T Wireless has given itself two weeks to make a decision, if necessary.

    Vodafone, which offers mobile-phone services in much of Europe and Japan, wants to acquire AT&T Wireless so it can extend its brand and services into the U.S.. The Newbury, United Kingdom, operator owns 45% of the leading U.S. operator Verizon Wireless, but it is aiming to sell that stake to Verizon Communications Inc., which owns the other 55%.

    However, many of Vodafone's biggest shareholders doubt whether Vodafone should pay more than $30 billion for AT&T Wireless, saying such a deal could dent earnings for several years to come. The extent of that dent depends on how much Verizon is willing to pay for its stake in Verizon Wireless and how much tax Vodafone will have to pay on that deal. Under U.K. stock-exchange listing rules, Vodafone would almost certainly have to seek the approval of shareholders to complete the acquisition.

    Vodafone's board gave the go-ahead for a bid on Friday, hours before the deadline imposed by AT&T Wireless, a person familiar with the situation said.

    Up until now, analysts had considered Cingular the favorite to acquire AT&T Wireless, figuring it could afford to pay more than Vodafone because it could save costs by combining its existing network with that of AT&T Wireless. Cingular's parent companies, BellSouth Corp. and SBC Communications Inc., are desperate to boost their wireless business to offset declining or flat revenues in their fixed-line businesses. Acquiring AT&T Wireless would more than double Cingular's wireless revenue and allow it to combine the two companies' marketing functions, retail outlets and other operations.

    Buying AT&T Wireless would also boost Cingular's available radio-wave spectrum in several key markets, making it easier to offer national calling plans. On the other hand, if Cingular allows Vodafone to acquire AT&T Wireless it is likely to face even stiffer competition for subscribers than it does today. Still, some observers have begun to question whether even Cingular should pay $35 billion for AT&T Wireless, given the valuations of peers, such as Nextel or Sprint PCS.

    Nextel, itself, did express an interest in acquiring AT&T Wireless in January, but not in any formal way, people familiar with the situation said.

    NTT DoCoMo of Japan has decided against making its own bid to acquire AT&T Wireless, but may still negotiate with other potential buyers to keep a stake in the company, people familiar with the negotiations said.

    DoCoMo, which owns 16% of AT&T Wireless and has the right to buy shares that would bring its stake to slightly more than 17%, decided at a Friday board meeting against trying to buy the rest of the company. DoCoMo and other potential bidders had until Friday to put in bids for AT&T Wireless.

    DoCoMo's decision didn't come as a surprise: The company has been forced to write down the bulk of its $10 billion investment in AT&T Wireless, and most observers thought DoCoMo would be too scarred by those losses to pump a lot more cash into the company.

    Yet people familiar with the negotiations say some DoCoMo executives favored trying to take over the U.S. carrier outright in order to establish a solid beachhead in the U.S. market, one of the world's most important battlegrounds for cellphone subscribers that isn't yet dominated by a single player.

    DoCoMo's minority investment has given it little clout over AT&T Wireless in the businesses it wants to promote -- high-speed third-generation, or 3G, phone services and DoCoMo's "imode" Internet technology. AT&T didn't adopt imode, and reneged on part of its initial promise to roll out 3G services in the U.S.

    Some DoCoMo executives also thought buying AT&T Wireless would keep a crucial pawn out of the hands of competitors such as Vodafone, which since 2001 has been going head-to-head with DoCoMo in its home market in Japan. DoCoMo's board ultimately decided against a bid because of the company's lack of experience in operating a carrier outside Japan, and the large amount of money an acquisition would require, people familiar with the situation said.

    DoCoMo and its parent, Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp., declined to comment on the negotiations.

    Now that DoCoMo is no longer a potential bidder for AT&T Wireless, it may approach other bidders and negotiate a possible partnership. DoCoMo would be willing to invest more money to maintain its stake in AT&T Wireless, which would be diluted by a merger with a firm such as Cingular, the people familiar with the situation said. The additional investment could run to about $2 billion.

    That money could come in handy for a buyer such as Cingular, which saw the potential cost of the acquisition rise by several billion dollars as competition intensified in recent weeks.

    AT&T Wireless, which was spun off from AT&T Corp. in 2001, has reported quarterly net losses for five of the past 10 quarters. Facing the prospects of increasing competition from several fronts -- and continuing operational difficulties -- the company agreed to the auction after several companies expressed interest.

    SBC Communications declined to comment, while BellSouth wasn't available to comment. AT&T Wireless, of Redmond, Washington, declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Nextel, of Reston, Va., also declined to comment. A spokesman Vodafone Group declined to comment
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    35 billion is way too much as it is... battle of the big heads.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    So if DoCoMo stays plugged in to AWE after the closing, they will theoretically own 8% of the new Cingular. Cingular said they are willing to negotiate with NTT so they can stay. But I think that in the unfortunate event that Vodafone wins, the first thing they will do is just kick NTT out of the picture.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    I wonder how much NTTDoCoMo has offered Cingular to contribut towards the purchase? Considering Vodafone is their largest rival in Japan, and Vodafone would replace mMode with Live, I would imagine DoCoMo is feverishly doing anything it can to help Cingular come out on top.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    jayc, not in this case. This grab of ATT, #3, is a huge strategic battle.

    -If Cingular wins, Vodafone is virtually locked out of the US as far as being a stand-alone name.
    -If Vodafone wins, well lots of American jobs are saved, and Verizon gets weaker.
    -It probably puts TMobile into play too
    -As well as the small regional players
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    I am sure if Vidaphone does win it will save jobs in the US and could eventually be a problem for Verizon. Also i see Cingular going after T-Mobile if they loose the bid, and smaller players will be looked into a lot harder, Since Cingular did just complete everything for the purchase of US wireless in the south.
    Only time will tell.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    Vodafone is a great company. Vodafone will straighten out ATT wireless, they have done a great job with takeovers in the past, and quite frankly just seem to do it right. Vodafone would stake a major claim in the US market with this.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    That is in the unlikely event they win. [​IMG]
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    Ok, well you appear to be as confident Cingular will win as I am that Vodafone had this thing wrapped up from the day AT&T put itself on the block......we'll know soon enough

    Funny you're ripping off that CocaCola logo for Cingular; I think you're confused. It's Vodafone who is the CocaCola of the mobile industry, not the bubbas from Cingular.
     
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    Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    It's funny that you think that my reasoning behind making that logo had anything to do with this bidding war.


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    Re: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    With T-Mobile which is owned by a European country and if Vodafone acquires AT&T's assets, then two European Countries would be in virtual control of the GSM network. Personally I would prefer that Cingular gets the upper hand.

    Telscape
     
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    Re: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    This is a really old thread buddy, you had my heart beating when I saw this, I WILL NEVER want to see the lights of day of the Verizon owner, buying AT&T out I will cry, I do not like that company, or their practices.
     
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    Re: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    Tell me about it I was really confused at 1st till I saw the date posted & Cingular in the article heading LOL.
     
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    Re: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    Talk about feeling stupid. Now I know where to look to see when a Thread is posted.
     
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    Re: Vodafone Makes Bid For AT&T Wireless - Second Bids Due - WSJ

    That's OK. I was scared for a moment as well. I would not want the restrictions that Verizon places on their customers imposed upon my family.
     
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    Thread closed to avoid continuation of confusion.
     
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