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That being said, I follow the mobility world, and I know there are a lot of people who don't even think of these things like I do. They just want a cell phone for its intended purpose of being what it is - a mobile phone. Some people could misinterpret Verizon's ads as saying AT&T has no coverage whatsoever in the white areas of the AT&T map shown in the ads. At the same time, people need to get a clue. Do people need to be care-taken so much we need to spell EVERYTHING out? Does society need that much hand-holding? If so, IMO, we've gotten really dumb and incapable of thinking for ourselves. The fact is AT&T service works well in most areas of this country. There are coverage holes in their service, but this is the case with EVERY carrier, Verizon included. For people to be so misled about coverage as to not get the distinction of 3G service versus regular 2G is stretching it a little. It's a more fear-based, not fact-based ideology. If there is any good to come out of the ad controversy and this suit by AT&T, it hopefully will be AT&T expanding and improving their marginal 3G coverage, which is the REAL issue here.
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But to me the question is - should advertising contain useful content and be directed at those who will find the information beneficial? Or should it all just be diluted to a point where it's meaningless to anyone for the sake of those who don't educate themselves if they aren't familiar with the terminology or don't understand the message that is being presented. Perfectly intelligent people don't have to have knowledge in all areas - noone does. I'm with both of you re: a drink to the hope that this at least forces at&t to expand their very limited (from a geographic standpoint) 3G network!!
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Back to the topic of are the maps misleading. My fellow engineer just asked me "hey, why do we all have AT&T, when Verizon has so much better coverage nationwide". I give up. PS: Think about how many more people Verizon could confuse by using *Never* & "Not* in the same sentence.
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On the flip side, the first time the commercial was mentioned was during a Packer vs Viking game and shortly after the Packer's miserable loss, my Verizon toting Viking fan forumite friend sent me a text saying something like "what was more irritating to you, the Viking's win or the comparisoin maps?." As far as I am concerned all coverage maps stretch the truth, having had Verizon for 3+ miserable years, all I have to say is the "Verizon Sux"
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"Damn right they're lying! AT&T is capable of dropping calls anywhere in the continental U.S." "Let the exhilarating truth ring out: Where AT&T lacks 3G coverage, it will likely support a lesser, but mostly functional network standard." |
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Btw, in response to my post in another forum, about how much better AT&T is in my area over Verizon, a forumite friend, we both know well, replied with this profound statement. Quote:
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Maybe ATT should run a counter ad, aimed at the young professional that travels across the world for his business/company/vacation and voice calls/data calls. The ad would show the average Verizon user, with the average phone/data device (which are mostly CDMA without any GSM capability), and then display the global comparison maps of Verizon vs ATT. Verizon would have quite a large blank spot(s). on that map. That may raise a few eyebrows! preemptive counterstrike: yes there are a few Verizon phones that are world capable, but as was posted on another thread...very few...the most are CDMA only). And also...no comments that ATT is roaming in Europe/Asia...we all know that obvious fact. But the point is that one can roam.
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| I doubt that ATT needs any forcing on this issue. They are well aware of it and are continually spending billions to increase 3G coverage. The suit, if anything, is a distraction.
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There is so much technology thrown at people & they mix them up, I know quite a few people that I ask about this & they are "what's the difference?" so the maps make it seem to the average person as no coverage in the white spaces, maybe they need to use 2 color maps? na that would really mess with their heads LOL | ||
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Didn't they already have an ad similar to this (although without the carrier comparison) in the "More Bars in More Places" campaign? I thought I remember seeing one of their later ads where at the bottom of the ad in the fine print it stated something about working in more places around the world? The only problem with the proposed counter ad would be that Verizon is starting to have more phones (especially the higher end smart phones) that have "world" bands put into them. Even if there are "very few" of them at this point they are still there. Well I "can roam" with my Verizon TP2 if I need to, which I don't since I do not intend to use it internationally in the near future.
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Verizon is increasing the number of smartphones for world use, that is true., but still very few. By analogy, ATT is still there with '3G' and probably covers a majority of US smartphone users that live in the metro areas they cover. So both any Verizon or ATT ads have problems, when you look at the details, but that is the nature of advertising... Unfortunately, 'perception is reality' in that kind of game, and this is what ATT fears.
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This is interesting....... My new laptop came with a built-in Verizon broadband card and I've toyed with the idea of reallocating my monthly expenditure on wireless service so that it is better used for the functionality I actually use (i.e. data - not voice). Anyway - I was looking at the information re: the Verizon 3G Mobile Broadband - as of October 2009, it says it is available in 259 major metropolitan areas and 250 primary airports in the United States. At&t's October 23, 2009 press release says it has 3G service available in over 350 major metropolitan areas in the US (plus 3G data roaming in more than 100 countries). Of course I guess it depends on the definition of "major metropolitan area", and I'm sure Verizon's coverage map included the airports (in the commercial - lol) - but there's not a difference between 3G coverage for network cards versus mobile phones, correct? IOW - am I making an apples to apples comparison? Does a difference in how they've defined major metropolitan areas really account for what seemed to be such a vast difference in the coverage maps in the commercial, but yet the "numbers" would at least appear to say otherwise? It was seeing the commercial that made me think "if I'm serious about coverage for the netbook, I'd be crazy to go with at&t's service based on their comparative lack of 3G coverage - esp. in light of the fact that Verizon's plan gives a 25% larger data allotment for the same price", but now I'm confused.
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I think the average consumer knows what verizon is talking about and has a general knowledge of data vs voice. Sprint could have run the same advertisement. I agree with the comment above the law suit is a distraction.
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I don't know how the numbers are calculated but there is no doubt in my mind that the 3G comparison map in the commercial is accurate. It is very obvious outside the big cities in the upper midwest & also in my recent trip to the southeast. So, if you need 3G while white water rafting in the Grand Canyon, Verizon would be the one to go with. Palm850/v0100 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Last edited by Charlyee; 11-07-2009 at 5:44 PM. | |
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AT&T turned on 3G in my area (my county has a population of 300,000+) last May. Up until late October their 3G network was outstanding. I ran speed tests on my Tilt and it showed a 1.5 Mbps download speed (at least 1 Mbps + during peak times). Towards the end of last year, the data speeds went south and we started experiencing dropped calls and extremely slow speeds on a weekly basis. We switched back to Verizon this past March. I now have "3G" 45 miles from the city, whereas AT&T's 3G would end 5 miles outside of the city. I am happy that we switched since I now have "3G" even in rural areas and out on the water (where the closest tower is 12 miles away). In fact Verizon is the only carrier in my area that has "3G" in rural parts of my county (especially after gaining Alltel's rural "3G" coverage).
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Thank you strunke and Charlyee for the confirmation. I didn't think there was a difference between network card 3G and cell phone 3G. At&t's definition of "major metropolitan area" must just be much smaller than the definition Verizon uses - since presuming the "airports" are generally within or near "major metropolitan areas", the numbers would seem to indicate the opposite of reality. | |
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Images: 168 | I hope your 3G device is waterproof. I am not sure if I am just noticing it more, but Verizon seems to have geared up the anti iPhone/AT&T ads. The stepping up of the anti iPhone ads surprise me in view of the rumors of "World Mode" iPhone in the works for Verizon. Palm850/v0100 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) |
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Looks like Verizon is still on the attack with the 3G map comparison... YouTube - Verizon Misfit Toys
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I found two more ads that Verizon will be airing this holiday season. I thought the one with the elves is just way too funny.....for the record books On the Blue Christmas ad, I notice the AT&T users shaking their phones, thinking it'll fix their poor signal. YouTube - Verizon Elves YouTube - Verizon Blue Christmas
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I loved all of them. I do see that they are all basically anti AT&T and no longer anti IPhone, like the "iDon't" ads were. What I got from the "Misfit Toys" was. "Wow you download apps?! AMAZING! You're perfect....oh wait...you've got crappy AT&T 3g", now that makes sense with the rumor of Verizon getting the World Mode iPhone.
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Yea, the ads are clever and well done. Even if they never make it to TV (or get legally blocked by ATT) the idea of releasing them on YouTube is smart. Free advertising, and less restriction than network TV..
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I actually saw the Verizon Elves ad for the first time on TV this past weekend.
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