RIM, AT&T Again Delay Bold

[Charlyee]

RIM, AT&T Again Delay Bold
By Wireless Week Staff
WirelessWeek - October 06, 2008

AT&T’s debut of the BlackBerry Bold smartphone is delayed because of ongoing testing, Research In Motion co-CEO Mike Lazaridis told the Associated Press late last week.

Lazaridis acknowledged that “great scrutiny” exists for the product launch. The Bold is the first BlackBerry with HSDPA networking and a high-end touchscreen. Moreover, Research In Motion doesn’t want to experience the customer backlash that followed the recent Apple iPhone 3G launch.

Given the increasingly computer-like complexity of modern smartphones, it’s possible that firm release dates will become less common – or that computer-like bug fixes and software patches for phones will become more common.


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[Ddeere2]

NOOO!!!! lol, I'm really sad to hear that RIM and AT&T are delaying the Bold. But on the other hand, its good to work out the bugs in the phone before hand so they won't have as many when it does launch. But are you sure that its a touchscreen? I just really hope it comes out by the end of the year.

[Charlyee]

Originally Posted by Ddeere2

NOOO!!!! lol, I'm really sad to hear that RIM and AT&T are delaying the Bold. But on the other hand, its good to work out the bugs in the phone before hand so they won't have as many when it does launch. But are you sure that its a touchscreen? I just really hope it comes out by the end of the year.

Hey, wait a minute I was just quoting Wireless Week. . No, I am not sure that it has a touchscreen, infact I am more sure that it does not. I don't know where they got that from.

I just found out that our company will allow us to download corporate E-mail if we have a BB and pay for the plan, for me that is the perfect reason/excuse to venture into the BOLD. Like you I don't mind waiting.

[RadioFoneGuy]

Youll love the push email on blackberry versus a Window mobile device.

I have the TILT and a BB Pearl and for email. The Tilt works good for personal but the BB is the hands down winner for Corporate.

I have played with Good Link and Direct push and its still buggy and I have had emails delayed for hours that need immediate reponse. The only problems I had was when RIM lost their servers for a day a year or so ago.

I would love a BB Bold but I love the crap you can do to a windows device. My blackberry is a permanent fixture on my Sun Visor if im on the road and it buzzes i look at it to check email. Im not ready to rely solely on a BB for my all in one device until they open up the OS more.

[Charlyee]

Originally Posted by RadioFoneGuy

I would love a BB Bold but I love the crap you can do to a windows device. My blackberry is a permanent fixture on my Sun Visor if im on the road and it buzzes i look at it to check email. Im not ready to rely solely on a BB for my all in one device until they open up the OS more.

Thanks. .

What are some of the things that a BB OS cannot do that WM can. I don't want to give up anything just to get corporate E-mail, I usually have my laptop with me anyway.

[Shizam76]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

Thanks. .

What are some of the things that a BB OS cannot do that WM can. I don't want to give up anything just to get corporate E-mail, I usually have my laptop with me anyway.

Charlyee is thinking about giving up the land of Treos???

[Charlyee]

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Originally Posted by Shizam76

Charlyee is thinking about giving up the land of Treos???

Lol Shizam! Thinking about & actually doing it are two different things though.

I was just talking to a BB user & he was telling me BBs don't follow network time, he has to manually change it; say what?

Please some BB user tell me that this is not true.

[Shizam76]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

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Lol Shizam! Thinking about & actually doing it are two different things though.

I was just talking to a BB user & he was telling me BBs don't follow network time, he has to manually change it; say what?

Please some BB user tell me that this is not true.

What!!?? No network updated time??? What is this? Am I still on my Nokia 5160 TDMA phone??

[RadioFoneGuy]

With my corporate email on my tilt I would have to run a VPN client and that alone screw up my tilt. Good link isnt bad but its slower and your company needs to support it, if you dont have a good IT department then a blackberry is the way to go. I would love to run just the Tilt and I still might, I have playing with Blackberry Connect software on my Tilt.

On window mobile its just easier to tweak and alot more you can tweak vs the BB. On the tilt there are so many patches and programs you can run. You can make registry changes to the device. With Direct Sync you can easily add and remove programs. With BlackBerry you have to use desktop manager and load files but there not as much you can do.

Im in no way trying to turn you away from Blackberry as I have a few. The Qwerty keyboard on the bigger blackberrys like the Bold and the curve make it nice to respond to emails and text similiar to the Treo. The OS on Blackberry is more stable than Windows so thats a plus.

[Charlyee]

Thanks again RadioFoneGuy.

Quick question: Does your BB follow the network time or do you have to set it manually? I am at a conference surrounded by BB owners and many of them saying that they don't want to change the time for 3 days but it is messing them up. This one person did have it set to "follow network time" and even though the network time was correct his device was 2 hours off.

He pointed to my Treo and said "I should have got one of those"

[RadioFoneGuy]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

Thanks again RadioFoneGuy.

Quick question: Does your BB follow the network time or do you have to set it manually? I am at a conference surrounded by BB owners and many of them saying that they don't want to change the time for 3 days but it is messing them up. This one person did have it set to "follow network time" and even though the network time was correct his device was 2 hours off.

He pointed to my Treo and said "I should have got one of those"

mine follows network time on EST. BB device are pretty much keep and open connection to the RIM server. When they changed daylight savings time early a couple of years ago my IT sent a time update patch to my BB to keep it synced. Alot of time my blackberry will get emails a min or two before my PC does. All outlook stuff works good on it, calender, out of office, invites etc.

[Ddeere2]

Quick question: Does your BB follow the network time or do you have to set it manually?

My BB pearl is set to network time, it hardly is ever wrong unless I change the settings. Even when I have no coverage or take my sim card out and just use the other features on it the time stays pretty accurate. Maybe a few seconds off. You can even change the time manually, I think you can have it 24 hrs but still be on network time, never really mess around with, when I do, I'll let you know. Sorry if I offend you Charlyee about asking if the 9000 had a touchscreen, I knew it didn't and almost had a cow when i saw that. I thought it was a new feature that's why it might have been delayed. But like RadioFoneGuy said, nothing can beat BB for email. At my old work we had a BB server and I would always get emails a lot faster than using any other phone or my PC. I also like how the Pearl transmits at I think its 2 mW ( I forget the rating) always, because before I would have very little to no coverage in the places i frequented, and now with my BB, I have excellent coverage everywhere. But I still can't want for the Bold, I'm getting anxious waiting for it as it will be the first BB with HSDPA. Even though you technically can't change a lot of things with the BB's, they're still awesome phones.

[Charlyee]

Originally Posted by Ddeere2

My BB pearl is set to network time, it hardly is ever wrong unless I change the settings. Even when I have no coverage or take my sim card out and just use the other features on it the time stays pretty accurate. Maybe a few seconds off. You can even change the time manually, I think you can have it 24 hrs but still be on network time, never really mess around with, when I do, I'll let you know. Sorry if I offend you Charlyee about asking if the 9000 had a touchscreen, I knew it didn't and almost had a cow when i saw that. I thought it was a new feature that's why it might have been delayed. But like RadioFoneGuy said, nothing can beat BB for email. At my old work we had a BB server and I would always get emails a lot faster than using any other phone or my PC. I also like how the Pearl transmits at I think its 2 mW ( I forget the rating) always, because before I would have very little to no coverage in the places i frequented, and now with my BB, I have excellent coverage everywhere. But I still can't want for the Bold, I'm getting anxious waiting for it as it will be the first BB with HSDPA. Even though you technically can't change a lot of things with the BB's, they're still awesome phones.

Ofcourse you didn't. I was just teasing you.

I wander if the older BBs did not switch time automatically when in a different time zone. In any case I am convinced that there is no problem thanks to you and RadioFoneGuy. Thanks for all your help and clarifications.

[Matt]

You can choose to use network time or BB time - I've used both and never noticed a significant drift.

[Charlyee]

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Originally Posted by Matt

You can choose to use network time or BB time - I've used both and never noticed a significant drift.

Thanks Matt, see here is what is confusing. He had his set to choose network time but his BB stayed on Central Daylight & didn't switch to Pacific for all 4 days. Mine switched as soon as I turned it on after we landed.

[Matt]

Yea, I don't know about that. I haven't changed time zones since I bought my BB 14 months ago

[AnthroMatt]

Yes, you have to manually switch your BB to the time zone which you are in, whether you set it to network time or manual time. It takes all of 5 seconds.

This is done to preserve appointments and email delivery times. For example, I live in MST all year. If I set an appt in Outlook for a 1pm EDT for a meeting I have in NYC the following week, it shows as 10am on my calendar in MST. When I land in NYC and change my time zone, the appointment "stays" at 1pm. Also, if you ever sort email by time sent, rather than time received, it is nice that the Exchange server can figure out you are in a different time zone and "convert" the sent time back to your home office time.

I believe if you were to set/receive an invite in MS Outlook for a 1pm appointment, then you were to move the WM device forward 3 hours, that appointment shifts to 4pm. Eeek.

[bigsnake49]

Originally Posted by AnthroMatt

Yes, you have to manually switch your BB to the time zone which you are in, whether you set it to network time or manual time. It takes all of 5 seconds.

This is done to preserve appointments and email delivery times. For example, I live in MST all year. If I set an appt in Outlook for a 1pm EDT for a meeting I have in NYC the following week, it shows as 10am on my calendar in MST. When I land in NYC and change my time zone, the appointment "stays" at 1pm. Also, if you ever sort email by time sent, rather than time received, it is nice that the Exchange server can figure out you are in a different time zone and "convert" the sent time back to your home office time.

I believe if you were to set/receive an invite in MS Outlook for a 1pm appointment, then you were to move the WM device forward 3 hours, that appointment shifts to 4pm. Eeek.

I have my iIphone set to network time and have no problems with timezones automatically been changed by the network. It does not screw up any of my appts. Now I have to make sure the appts are consistent. If I'm on EDT and my appt in Austin is for 11:00 CST, then I have to make sure I enter it for 10:00 EDT. I wish the iphone had a time zone setting per appt. That way you don't have to do the mental math.

[AnthroMatt]

Originally Posted by bigsnake49

I have my iIphone set to network time and have no problems with timezones automatically been changed by the network. It does not screw up any of my appts. Now I have to make sure the appts are consistent. If I'm on EDT and my appt in Austin is for 11:00 CST, then I have to make sure I enter it for 10:00 EDT. I wish the iphone had a time zone setting per appt. That way you don't have to do the mental math.

Yeah, maybe that is the problem with the WM devices too. It doesn't move the appointment, but it doesn't adjust for the time change either, so you have to do the figuring in your head.

[Charlyee]

Intersting thanks!

So are you saying that if I accept a meeting notice for 2:00 PM MDT, while I am still in CDT, the meeting will show to be at the right time when I am in MDT?

What happens when you manually set the time back an hour to be on MDT, will the meeting time still be correct?

Will the meeting time show as 3:00 PM while I am on CDT?

Just curious.

[bigsnake49]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

Intersting thanks!

So are you saying that if I accept a meeting notice for 2:00 PM MDT, while I am still in CDT, the meeting will show to be at the right time when I am in MDT?

What happens when you manually set the time back an hour to be on MDT, will the meeting time still be correct?

Will the meeting time show as 3:00 PM while I am on CDT?

Just curious.

It should be at the right time when you are in MDT and it should show at 3:00 PM CDT when you are at CDT. If you manually move the time zone to MDT it should show at 2:00 PM MDT.

[AnthroMatt]

So long as you have the meeting time set for the correct time zone (otherwise IIRC it defaults to your time zone), it will always be correct. There is a field in the BB appointments to indicate time zone.

[bigsnake49]

Originally Posted by AnthroMatt

So long as you have the meeting time set for the correct time zone (otherwise IIRC it defaults to your time zone), it will always be correct. There is a field in the BB appointments to indicate time zone.

Can you set the timezone for each different appointment? Or is it a display only, non-editable field?

[AnthroMatt]

Originally Posted by bigsnake49

Can you set the timezone for each different appointment? Or is it a display only, non-editable field?

You can set it for each appt.

[bigsnake49]

Originally Posted by AnthroMatt

You can set it for each appt.

I know that Outlook 2007 allows you to set it per appt even if the option is slightly hidden. I'm impressed that BB has that option.

[Charlyee]

Originally Posted by bigsnake49

I'm impressed that BB has that option.

So am I. Maybe there will be a BOLD in my future!
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[Ddeere2]

Just an update, the Bold is supposedly going to be released on October 27th. Like the article I read said, that's the beauty in being vague in the release date. Now I'm really anxious for the Bold to come out now.

RIM's BlackBerry Bold (probably) hitting AT&T on October 27th - Engadget

[Gamer03]

I may consider the Bold or the unlocked GSM version of the Storm (GSM/3G only BlackBerry Storm 9500 for “Europe”|BlackBerry Sync | get in sync with the latest BlackBerry news) if an unlocked GSM only version is released. My WM device is outdated and it is slow (I even got a message the other day stating that my device was low on memory). Plus it would be nice to try out a different OS (I have tried out both Palm OS and WM OS PDA's).