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Ddeere2 · 05-22-2008, 5:10 PM

I read over at Yahoo that AT&T has only 6 markets left and they'll have fully deployed HSUPA on all of there existing markets that have 3G coverage. Supposedly its supposed to have 1.4 Mbps download and 800 Kbps upload. If they finally turn it on here in my city like they said they would, I would cancel my DSL because I bet I can get better pings and faster speed then what I'm seeing with my DSL right now.

AT&T Nears Completion of 3G Wireless Technology Deployment that Delivers Broadband Wireless Speeds - for Downloads and Uploads: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

Jay2TheRescue · 05-22-2008, 6:31 PM

I just double checked my speed, and I'm still at 1600k down and 300k up here outside Washington DC.

-Jay

Eric47 · 05-22-2008, 6:55 PM

1400kbps will be more than 2x faster than any cable or cellphone companies offer in my area. i consider my area typical suburb/semi-rural.

for some reason though i think that yahoo got their facts wrong. most DSL's that are called 1.5MB are 150kb.

so 1400kb would be 14MB

anywho, im considering an aircard as well.

Ddeere2 · 05-22-2008, 11:57 PM

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I just double checked my speed, and I'm still at 1600k down and 300k up here outside Washington DC.

-Jay

that's better than what i have on my DSL connection, lol. I'm getting mad waiting for AT&T to turn on the 3G here in my town. I usually take what I read on other sites with a grain of salt and check with you all here

What about them saying that by the end of 2009 they'll have wireless internet at speeds up to 7.2 mbps download and with a 20 mbps max throughput. that doesn't seem possible right now. would that require users to upgrade to new phones or aircards?

Jay2TheRescue · 05-23-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ddeere2

that's better than what i have on my DSL connection, lol. I'm getting mad waiting for AT&T to turn on the 3G here in my town. I usually take what I read on other sites with a grain of salt and check with you all here

What about them saying that by the end of 2009 they'll have wireless internet at speeds up to 7.2 mbps download and with a 20 mbps max throughput. that doesn't seem possible right now. would that require users to upgrade to new phones or aircards?

Most 3G devices on the market now are only capable of 3.6 mbps. To get those predicted speeds available in the future you will have to upgrade to a new device at that time.

-Jay

Mobile Mike · 05-23-2008, 2:22 AM

So AT&T's network is pretty "SUPA"

RadioRaiders · 05-23-2008, 2:32 AM

What is strange about that article, is that they mention AT&T upgrading to HSUPA, but no mention of increasing the downlink speeds?

Usually operators add HSUPA in order to facilitate higher rates in the DL. But they just say 1.4 will continue to be the max rates.

Are they not going to increase the DL rates due to something like bandwidth issues (having GSM and UMTS on the same bands)? Or will they increase the DL rates later, and just want to keep it quiet for now so people don't start bugging them about it?

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Originally Posted by Eric47

for some reason though i think that yahoo got their facts wrong. most DSL's that are called 1.5MB are 150kb.

so 1400kb would be 14MB

What?

I think you're forgetting 8 bits = 1 Byte

1.5MB = 12 Mb
...
1400kb = 1.4Mb

...was it a joke (in which case I just ruined it

)?.... or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Ddeere2

What about them saying that by the end of 2009 they'll have wireless internet at speeds up to 7.2 mbps download and with a 20 mbps max throughput. that doesn't seem possible right now. would that require users to upgrade to new phones or aircards?

Check what category your HSDPA card or phone is and you can see what bit-rates it supports (scroll down to HSDPA UE Categories). I think Category 5 (3.6 Mbps DL) is the most common one right now available.

High-Speed Downlink Packet Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

COtech · 05-23-2008, 3:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric47

1400kbps will be more than 2x faster than any cable or cellphone companies offer in my area. i consider my area typical suburb/semi-rural.

for some reason though i think that yahoo got their facts wrong. most DSL's that are called 1.5MB are 150kb.

so 1400kb would be 14MB

anywho, im considering an aircard as well.

I found that my 1.5Mbps DSL gave about 150kBps downloads. So 1440kbps should give about 144kBps. Enough for now, especially mobile.

COtech

Eric47 · 05-23-2008, 5:44 PM

i was saying that i think yahoo's article is wrong basically. it is faster than 1.4MB by the way companys are measuring.

Eric47 · 05-23-2008, 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by COtech

I found that my 1.5Mbps DSL gave about 150kBps downloads. So 1440kbps should give about 144kBps. Enough for now, especially mobile.

COtech

on my 3G phone tethered i did 596kb DL with 4 Bars. That is with regular HSDPA i believe. thats almost what my DSL Extreme 6.0MB will do.

~~RJB~~ · 05-23-2008, 7:17 PM

Does anyone know what the last 6 markets are?

TKR · 05-23-2008, 9:25 PM

just and observation: The article headline is a little misleading IMO. If you read he story, AT&T actualy says they will have the high speed deployed on their entire 3g network (i.e not the large parts of their netwokr that still do not have 3G yet)), not their entire network.

Jay2TheRescue · 05-23-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TKR

just and observation: The article headline is a little misleading IMO. If you read he story, AT&T actualy says they will have the high speed deployed on their entire 3g network (i.e not the large parts of their netwokr that still do not have 3G yet)), not their entire network.

I got that when I read it...

-Jay

SteveW · 05-28-2008, 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddeere2

I read over at Yahoo that AT&T has only 6 markets left and they'll have fully deployed HSUPA on all of there existing markets that have 3G coverage. Supposedly its supposed to have 1.4 Mbps download and 800 Kbps upload.

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Originally Posted by RadioRaiders

What is strange about that article, is that they mention AT&T upgrading to HSUPA, but no mention of increasing the downlink speeds? Usually operators add HSUPA in order to facilitate higher rates in the DL. But they just say 1.4 will continue to be the max rates.

This does seem to be at the lower range of what HSDPA/HSUPA is supposed to do. Odd.

SW

Ddeere2 · 05-28-2008, 7:03 PM

Wow, you'd think with the upcoming release of the 3G iPhone they would at least bump it up a little more than just that. I read also at another site that unfortunately 7 people have died in 5 weeks climbing wireless towers and three where at AT&T sites. AT&T said it was nothing to do with the 3G upgrades since its a software upgrade. But isn't that for HSUPA not upgrading from EDGE to HSDPA? maybe i read it wrong and came to another conclusion too quick like with the headline. Sorry about that.

That's sad though, i feel sorry for them. I wouldn't want to die like that, at work and doing something you love to do.

7 Tower Deaths In 5 Weeks - Three of which were on AT&T projects... - dslreports.com

SteveW · 06-06-2008, 3:14 PM

A little more detail on this from Infoworld. One interesting thing is that they are going to increase the upload speeds to make it almost symmetrical.

AT&T speeds up 3G network
The upgrade has provided a 20 percent boost in downlink speeds

By Brad Reed, Network World
June 04, 2008

AT&T said Wednesday it has upgraded its 3G wireless network to reach downlink speeds of up to 1.7Mbps, a 20 percent increase over previous top speeds.

AT&T says the increased speeds are the result of upgrades to the HSPA (High-Speed Packet Access) network that the company projects to complete by the end of the month. HSPA is a mobile broadband technology that is comprised of two wireless broadband protocols, known as HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and [HSUPA] (High Speed Uplink Packet Access), that operate on 3G mobile devices.

The company says it will have deployed HSUPA across its entire 3G network by the end of June, and it will result in uplink speeds of 1.2Mbps, a 50 percent increase over its previous peak uplink speeds of 800Kbps.

More...

SW

Jay2TheRescue · 06-06-2008, 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveW

A little more detail on this from Infoworld. One interesting thing is that they are going to increase the upload speeds to make it almost symmetrical.

AT&T speeds up 3G network
The upgrade has provided a 20 percent boost in downlink speeds

By Brad Reed, Network World
June 04, 2008

AT&T said Wednesday it has upgraded its 3G wireless network to reach downlink speeds of up to 1.7Mbps, a 20 percent increase over previous top speeds.

AT&T says the increased speeds are the result of upgrades to the HSPA (High-Speed Packet Access) network that the company projects to complete by the end of the month. HSPA is a mobile broadband technology that is comprised of two wireless broadband protocols, known as HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) and [HSUPA] (High Speed Uplink Packet Access), that operate on 3G mobile devices.

The company says it will have deployed HSUPA across its entire 3G network by the end of June, and it will result in uplink speeds of 1.2Mbps, a 50 percent increase over its previous peak uplink speeds of 800Kbps.

More...

SW

If the previous uplink cap is 800, how come i can barely get over 300 upload?

-Jay

SteveW · 06-06-2008, 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue

If the previous uplink cap is 800, how come i can barely get over 300 upload?

-Jay

I'm not sure. Perhaps it's because "peak uplink speeds" are only available on alternate Tuesdays at 3:00 AM. Or maybe it's because hype ≠ reality.

SW

Eric47 · 06-06-2008, 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue

If the previous uplink cap is 800, how come i can barely get over 300 upload?

-Jay

shared pipe. so if your in a busy area or time of day etc your results may differ. also device may play a part. some things are still processor and memory limited. even a tilt.

Ddeere2 · 06-06-2008, 9:31 PM

That's true, when I went to the nearest city that had 3G, San Antonio Texas, and used it there and I had a 1.4 mbps download and 280 kbps. I really don't think we'll really see this upgrade till later in the future, or my guess they're hyping it up for the upcoming release of the 3G iPhone.

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Ddeere2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Laredo, Texas Posts: 367 Phone(s): Blackberry 8100 Pearl, Motorola Razr 2 V9, Nokia N75, LG C2000 Provider(s): AT&T Devices: XPS 1530 and a 80 gb iPod Classic Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: AT&T close to completing HSUPA Wow, you'd think with the upcoming release of the 3G iPhone they would at least bump it up a little more than just that. I read also at another site that unfortunately 7 people have died in 5 weeks climbing wireless towers and three where at AT&T sites. AT&T said it was nothing to do with the 3G upgrades since its a software upgrade. But isn't that for HSUPA not upgrading from EDGE to HSDPA? maybe i read it wrong and came to another conclusion too quick like with the headline. Sorry about that. That's sad though, i feel sorry for them. I wouldn't want to die like that, at work and doing something you love to do. 7 Tower Deaths In 5 Weeks - Three of which were on AT&T projects... - dslreports.com Last edited by Ddeere2; 05-28-2008 at 7:04 PM. Reason: Add link to site.

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Ddeere2 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Laredo, Texas Posts: 367 Phone(s): Blackberry 8100 Pearl, Motorola Razr 2 V9, Nokia N75, LG C2000 Provider(s): AT&T Devices: XPS 1530 and a 80 gb iPod Classic Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: AT&T close to completing HSUPA That's true, when I went to the nearest city that had 3G, San Antonio Texas, and used it there and I had a 1.4 mbps download and 280 kbps. I really don't think we'll really see this upgrade till later in the future, or my guess they're hyping it up for the upcoming release of the 3G iPhone.

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