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GoodmanR · 02-08-2004, 7:38 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3470177.stm

Bad, bad, bad news for Cingular. Sorry bobo, looks like they are more or less ready to move forward with this. It looks like if they do, theyll beat out Cingular as well.

danny boi · 02-08-2004, 7:48 PM

I wonder if this will hault the development of the GSM/CDMA hybrid phones that could be used between Vodafone UK and VZW international traveler.

GoodmanR · 02-08-2004, 7:52 PM

my guess would be not. the phone is in testing and verizon already has ordered the phones, and samsung has probably delivered some.

ShoresGuy · 02-08-2004, 8:34 PM

My guess is that we're talking about the Samsung SCH-A790 here:

A790

orioles150 · 02-08-2004, 10:15 PM

hmm, I guess Verizon might sell these phone, but I doubt it would do very well. I was assuming that Verizon and Vodafone were going to make some deal for international roaming, and without that deal it will be tough for Verizon to move these hybrid phones.

GoodmanR · 02-08-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by: orioles150
hmm, I guess Verizon might sell these phone, but I doubt it would do very well. I was assuming that Verizon and Vodafone were going to make some deal for international roaming, and without that deal it will be tough for Verizon to move these hybrid phones.

it will do well. for anyone who goes on business overseas more than a few times a year, it will sell extremely well.

ShoresGuy · 02-09-2004, 5:10 AM

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Originally posted by: GoodmanR

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Originally posted by: orioles150
hmm, I guess Verizon might sell these phone, but I doubt it would do very well. I was assuming that Verizon and Vodafone were going to make some deal for international roaming, and without that deal it will be tough for Verizon to move these hybrid phones.

it will do well. for anyone who goes on business overseas more than a few times a year, it will sell extremely well.

I think so too, the only other US provider that I have seen experiment with hybrid phones was Nextel way back when with the Motorola i2000 Plus which was iDEN 800/GSM 900.

i2000 Plus

crood · 02-09-2004, 9:58 AM

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Originally posted by: GoodmanR
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3470177.stm

Bad, bad, bad news for Cingular. Sorry bobo, looks like they are more or less ready to move forward with this. It looks like if they do, theyll beat out Cingular as well.

The bidding process in corporate takeovers is more complicated, than who makes the higher initial offer. They usually allow bidders to sweeten the offer. Also, the form of the bid is also important (e.g. cash vs. stock).

ehcruzan · 02-09-2004, 10:57 AM

Even though I would love to see Vodafone take over AWE, I think Cingular will be the ultimate winner. Cingular wants it bad enough that I think they can outbid Vodafone who has to consider their currently lucrative venture (despite their sub-majority position) and also possible lukewarm shareholder response. I can only see wireless rates increasing if Cingular and AT&T merge as that is one of the reasons for the merger.

bobolito · 02-09-2004, 3:28 PM

Regardless of the money, AT&T will have the last word. Cingular should convince AT&T that a deal with Vodafone won't be approved by the feds. Also, don't forget that Vodafone's shareholders and board of directors can still prevent Voda from bidding if they see it is not in their best interest. Lastly, we don't know what Cingular may have up their sleeves. They might have a surprise in the very last minute.

GoodmanR · 02-09-2004, 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by: crood

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Originally posted by: GoodmanR
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3470177.stm

Bad, bad, bad news for Cingular. Sorry bobo, looks like they are more or less ready to move forward with this. It looks like if they do, theyll beat out Cingular as well.

The bidding process in corporate takeovers is more complicated, than who makes the higher initial offer. They usually allow bidders to sweeten the offer. Also, the form of the bid is also important (e.g. cash vs. stock).

I understand the corporate bidding process quite well. I am not sure whether SBC and BellSouth would really be able to match something around $40bn in cash, it would really be quite a stretch for them without raising new equity (which they could do using Cingular). But eventually, my speculation is that this will end up being an all cash bid. I don't think that AWE's directors are interested in staying in the industry, they want out, and this is going to be an all cash deal. If vodafone is this serious, they could well win it.

Airb330 · 02-09-2004, 6:38 PM

Vodafone won't help the network soon enough IMO. I'd rather see Cingular have them, have a really good GSM network and two nationwide good CDMA carriers.

jayc · 02-09-2004, 9:30 PM

I dunno... Vodafone seems very aggresive. To me it seems like they would expand their network very quickly.

Delta · 02-09-2004, 9:40 PM

Moto has hybrids coming soon too.

Kenster · 02-10-2004, 8:01 AM

Yup hang on folks!!! It gets more interesting...

Vodafone is now also pondering taking completely over Verizon!!!

See the article here in this forum posted by Laate.

agentHibby · 02-10-2004, 10:12 AM

All cellular bocks in Iowa except for A-block Iowa RSA #15 Great Lakes of Iowa D/B/A Cellular One are all CDMA (Verizon, Midwest Wireless, US Cellular, Western Wireless). US Cellular and Great Lakes do TDMA. Only on the PCS band is GSM (Iowa Wireless, T-Mobile, and AT&T (who knows who will get them [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] ), Western Wireless will do GSM base stations for roaming in Iowa is what I understand. unless US Cellular put up a GSM base station in my home town in Iowa. There will be on GSM for quite some time since no PCS company has any intrest in building the area out. So if a person from England went to rual Iowa it would be best to have a CDMA/GSM phone. So I think they could do CDMA/GSM phones for Vodafone also, so the rual areas that are going to be A and B block be CDMA their international customers can be able to make calls [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] . ( I would think great lakes of Iowa would go GSM, but I have not heard anything on this)

ShoresGuy · 02-10-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by: Kenster
Yup hang on folks!!! It gets more interesting...

Vodafone is now also pondering taking completely over Verizon!!!

See the article here in this forum posted by Laate.

I wonder why Vodafone is all over the place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img], they are facing a hard choice.

NYCDru · 02-10-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by: ShoresGuy

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Originally posted by: Kenster
Yup hang on folks!!! It gets more interesting...

Vodafone is now also pondering taking completely over Verizon!!!

See the article here in this forum posted by Laate.

I wonder why Vodafone is all over the place [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img], they are facing a hard choice.

Vodafone has the money to do almost anything they want in this arena. I think they are trying to keep people distracted from something else they could be planning but i can't for the life of me think of what that would be.

Delta · 02-10-2004, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by: Kenster
Yup hang on folks!!! It gets more interesting...

Vodafone is now also pondering taking completely over Verizon!!!

See the article here in this forum posted by Laate.

What? You think the other 55% is going to just hand it over? Next people will say Vodaphone is the "shadow government" secretly running the US....Maybe Verizon will take over Vodaphone! Huh? Whadya think about that?

I am sooo tired....

02-08-2004, 7:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
GoodmanR Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,140 Phone(s): Moto v3 Razr, Blackberry 7230 Provider(s): Cingular (Voice) + T-Mobile (Blackberry) Devices: Crackberry Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3470177.stm Bad, bad, bad news for Cingular. Sorry bobo, looks like they are more or less ready to move forward with this. It looks like if they do, theyll beat out Cingular as well. __________________ New Job = New Phone

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danny boi Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCali Posts: 1,116 Phone(s): BlackBerry Pearl 8120, Moto S9 StereoBT Headset Provider(s): T-Mobile USA Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular I wonder if this will hault the development of the GSM/CDMA hybrid phones that could be used between Vodafone UK and VZW international traveler. __________________ http://www.sticktogether.com/coverage/

02-08-2004, 7:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
GoodmanR Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,140 Phone(s): Moto v3 Razr, Blackberry 7230 Provider(s): Cingular (Voice) + T-Mobile (Blackberry) Devices: Crackberry Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular my guess would be not. the phone is in testing and verizon already has ordered the phones, and samsung has probably delivered some. __________________ New Job = New Phone

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ShoresGuy Euer WA Experte in Europa Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 94065,US/Köln, Germany Posts: 6,569 Phone(s): HTC/T-Mobile MDA II PPC, Motorola E770V Provider(s): E-Plus (BASE 12 month flatrate)/Vodafone Germany Devices: T-Mobile MDA II - GSM 900/1800/1900 w/WM 2003 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Images: 419	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular My guess is that we're talking about the Samsung SCH-A790 here: A790 __________________ Visiting Europe?Ask me: http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/international-wireless-forum-including-canada-mexico/ http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/international-wireless-forum-including-canada-mexico/8351-europe-sim-info-helpful-links.html Nokia Reset Codes: http://forums.wirelessadvisor.com/nokia/7973-nokia-series-40-60-80-reset.html Originally from: Redwood City, CA Living in: Cologne, Germany

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orioles150 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 674 Phone(s): e815, past: 8100,670,4500,8600, 6000,530,4400,, LG5250,nokia8290,samy3500 Provider(s): Verizon Devices: Archos Gmini400, XM Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular hmm, I guess Verizon might sell these phone, but I doubt it would do very well. I was assuming that Verizon and Vodafone were going to make some deal for international roaming, and without that deal it will be tough for Verizon to move these hybrid phones.

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ehcruzan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: St. Croix, VI Posts: 754 Phone(s): Sanyo MM-8300, Sanyo PM-8200, Toshiba VM-4050, Sanyo VI-2300 x 2 Provider(s): Sprint PCS Devices: iPod Nano, Compaq Evo, Netgear & Linksys WiFi Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular Even though I would love to see Vodafone take over AWE, I think Cingular will be the ultimate winner. Cingular wants it bad enough that I think they can outbid Vodafone who has to consider their currently lucrative venture (despite their sub-majority position) and also possible lukewarm shareholder response. I can only see wireless rates increasing if Cingular and AT&T merge as that is one of the reasons for the merger.

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bobolito iPhone 3G 16GB (White) Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Sanfrakota Posts: 12,378 Phone(s): iPhone 3G, RAZR V9, Sierra 875 3G Aircard, HP iPaq Classic 110 Provider(s): AT&T Mobility Devices: WiFi cards/Access points Thanks: 3 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Images: 50 My Auctions	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular Regardless of the money, AT&T will have the last word. Cingular should convince AT&T that a deal with Vodafone won't be approved by the feds. Also, don't forget that Vodafone's shareholders and board of directors can still prevent Voda from bidding if they see it is not in their best interest. Lastly, we don't know what Cingular may have up their sleeves. They might have a surprise in the very last minute. __________________

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Airb330 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3,525 Phone(s): iPhone, Pantech EVDO Provider(s): at&t/Sprint for datacard Devices: iPod Nano (Black), XM Radio Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Images: 3	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular Vodafone won't help the network soon enough IMO. I'd rather see Cingular have them, have a really good GSM network and two nationwide good CDMA carriers.

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jayc Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Johnson City, TN Posts: 1,418 Phone(s): Samsung A670, LG VX6100, AirPrime PC 5220 Provider(s): Verizon Wireless Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular I dunno... Vodafone seems very aggresive. To me it seems like they would expand their network very quickly.

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Delta Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Columbus, Oh Posts: 2,470 Phone(s): Casio G'zOne, Moto V325 Provider(s): Verizon Wireless Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My Auctions	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular Moto has hybrids coming soon too.

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Kenster Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 421 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular Yup hang on folks!!! It gets more interesting... Vodafone is now also pondering taking completely over Verizon!!! See the article here in this forum posted by Laate.

02-10-2004, 10:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
agentHibby Iowa Cellular Guru Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SID 150 or 1214 Posts: 3,470 Phone(s): Nokia 6256i, (retired) Motorola V120c, Timeport 270c, Nokia 252 (Airtouch) Provider(s): Verizon Wireless Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vodafone Ponders $37bn Bid, Set to Enter, Would Beat Cingular All cellular bocks in Iowa except for A-block Iowa RSA #15 Great Lakes of Iowa D/B/A Cellular One are all CDMA (Verizon, Midwest Wireless, US Cellular, Western Wireless). US Cellular and Great Lakes do TDMA. Only on the PCS band is GSM (Iowa Wireless, T-Mobile, and AT&T (who knows who will get them [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] ), Western Wireless will do GSM base stations for roaming in Iowa is what I understand. unless US Cellular put up a GSM base station in my home town in Iowa. There will be on GSM for quite some time since no PCS company has any intrest in building the area out. So if a person from England went to rual Iowa it would be best to have a CDMA/GSM phone. So I think they could do CDMA/GSM phones for Vodafone also, so the rual areas that are going to be A and B block be CDMA their international customers can be able to make calls [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] . ( I would think great lakes of Iowa would go GSM, but I have not heard anything on this) __________________ If Verizon can buy out their affiliates they would be better off.

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