Verizon Wireless reaches 40 milion subscribers

[Frito]

Well i would think that Verizon and Sprint dont like to share towers because there is more of a riivalry between them. Or maybe Verizon just desighns thier netowk diffrently then sprint. Who knows, but I am sure there is a reason. Sprint and Nextel co-loacte alot here in FL too BTW larry.

[bobolito]

Originally Posted by Rich

Bobolito,I understand your point of view and where your coming from but, Nextel is not going anywhere. Nextel will continually be very competitive when it comes to the PTT market, remember, they started it. Now if I ran the company, I would have done the same thing, in business, it's called a strong arm tactic, and their balance sheet proves it.
Regarding the public safety issue, I think Nextel will prevail, then I think we can all sleep better at night knowing Nextel is moving off the 800MHz. Most importantly, I personally don't just blame Nextel for this, The FCC needs to to be held accountable, after all, they are the FCC.

I agree they are not going anywhere, especially when they have the best PTT service. But the reason for their strong balance sheet is only because of their strong business customer base, which are the ones that pay good money for service. Take away the business customers, and Nextel is reduced to nothing.

[agentHibby]

Originally Posted by Frito

Well i would think that Verizon and Sprint dont like to share towers because there is more of a riivalry between them. Or maybe Verizon just desighns thier netowk diffrently then sprint. Who knows, but I am sure there is a reason. Sprint and Nextel co-loacte alot here in FL too BTW larry.

Verizon rarely does any tower sharing. reason in some markets verizon becomes #1 and then that provider does not renew contract and their goes that good network. so rivalry between SPCS and VZW is somewhat of a problem, but not that big. It would be nice if both of them would do more tower sharing between the two, this could help both of them out! Since most of Verizon rural coverage is Cellular, PCS will have more deadspots. Verizon will work with tower rental companies like crowncastle and others.

[bobolito]

I don't think Verizon owns any towers in this area. They all collocate on American Towers, Crown Castle and others. You can always see their panels mixed in with T-Mobile, AT&T and others. But again, that's in my area.

[larry]

Verizon sold off some of their towers here in So. Cal to Spectrasites about 5 years ago. For some reason Sprint will rarely ever co-locate on a Spectrasite tower but Cingular & Nextel co-locate on many of them. There was supposed to be a Sprint/AT&T tower sharing agreement made about a year ago (anyone remember that?) I don't think it ever really materialized though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by larry

Verizon sold off some of their towers here in So. Cal to Spectrasites about 5 years ago. For some reason Sprint will rarely ever co-locate on a Spectrasite tower but Cingular & Nextel co-locate on many of them. There was supposed to be a Sprint/AT&T tower sharing agreement made about a year ago (anyone remember that?) I don't think it ever really materialized though.

lol..yeah, whatever happened to that???

[Andy]

Originally Posted by agentHibby

Verizon rarely does any tower sharing. reason in some markets verizon becomes #1 and then that provider does not renew contract and their goes that good network. so rivalry between SPCS and VZW is somewhat of a problem, but not that big. It would be nice if both of them would do more tower sharing between the two, this could help both of them out! Since most of Verizon rural coverage is Cellular, PCS will have more deadspots. Verizon will work with tower rental companies like crowncastle and others.

That's a pretty good reason not to colocated though, isn't it? But one the other hand, sometimes it might be easier, and faster to colocate, instead of building a new tower(getting land for it, etc.)
AgentHibby, thinking about it, I can only come up with one tower in my(our) area right now that I think VZW might not actually own, but colocate on, but I'm not sure...

[roamer1]

Re cell breathing -- I have seen differences of 10-15 dB RSSI between peak and off-peak usage times with SPCS in certain parts of Atlanta (Druid Hills/Fernbank area, which is bad for most carriers but particularly bad for SPCS, comes to mind) Same phone, same spot, different times of day...

Re cell sites -- around here, it seems to be mostly Cingular who's on towers to themselves. (This is especially evident in Chattanooga, where Cingular has always had subpar site placement compared to other local carriers.) Nextel tends to often be apart from other carriers too, since Nextel can't be on many government-owned towers because of the public safety interference issues; Southern LINC is almost ALWAYS on towers to themselves, usually on Southern Company-owned property.

-SC

[nightriderzx2]

As with any company accomplishing any task in the technology age... nothing is perfect. Someone in a race has everyone else beat in some area or another, and have consequences. Nextel cares about their two-way customers, so they have built their network to perfect it as much as possible. Verizon Wireless is without a doubt the largest wireless provider in the nation, so they focus their future on expanding their coverage areas as much as possible. T-mobile, Cingular, At&t, well... not much can save them, they have become the K-marts of the wireless world looking up at walmart-monopolies (in my opinion lol). However, diversity is what keeps all these companies in business. Some people care more about two-way then calling, others care more about network & phone features more then network availability. Since Sprint, Verizon, and Nextel are dominating this wireless world, the others are desperatably throwing everything out on the table (rollover, lower add-a-line costs, flexible plans), and seems to be working. We haven't seen this kind of competition since on going fued between Ford, Dodge, and Cheverolet. (That thing got a hemi?? Who cares?? It's no Triton V8!)

[agentHibby]

Originally Posted by Andy84094

That's a pretty good reason not to colocated though, isn't it? But one the other hand, sometimes it might be easier, and faster to colocate, instead of building a new tower(getting land for it, etc.)
AgentHibby, thinking about it, I can only come up with one tower in my(our) area right now that I think VZW might not actually own, but colocate on, but I'm not sure...

In Logan they have a tower in the industrial area like the other providers. I understand they have a cell near on USU campus. I don't know if it is on the USU public radio tower or someplace else for call capasity??

[larry]

Originally Posted by roamer1

Re cell breathing -- I have seen differences of 10-15 dB RSSI between peak and off-peak usage times with SPCS in certain parts of Atlanta (Druid Hills/Fernbank area, which is bad for most carriers but particularly bad for SPCS, comes to mind) Same phone, same spot, different times of day...

Re cell sites -- around here, it seems to be mostly Cingular who's on towers to themselves. (This is especially evident in Chattanooga, where Cingular has always had subpar site placement compared to other local carriers.) Nextel tends to often be apart from other carriers too, since Nextel can't be on many government-owned towers because of the public safety interference issues; Southern LINC is almost ALWAYS on towers to themselves, usually on Southern Company-owned property.

-SC

Roamer1,

If this is happening in your area, some RF engineers need to get fired. It would be due to poor design, or more likely laziness. Turning up max subs instead of adding carriers where they are needed. if a cell is getting that full an additional carrier should be requested.

[bobolito]

Zealots lurking around...

[larry]

Originally Posted by bobolito

Zealots lurking around...

What's that suppose to mean??

[ILUVSOCAL]

Originally Posted by agentHibby

Verizon rarely does any tower sharing

That's the main reason why their service up here in Lake and Mendocino Counties continues to be full of holes. Edge and US Cellular have excellent site placement and coverage, but Verizon refuses to colocate with them, which doesn't surprise me, Verizon can be pompous to the point of absurdity sometimes.

[ehcruzan]

Originally Posted by larry

Roamer1,

If this is happening in your area, some RF engineers need to get fired. It would be due to poor design, or more likely laziness. Turning up max subs instead of adding carriers where they are needed. if a cell is getting that full an additional carrier should be requested.

Larry, you can't think like a consumer if you want to understand the situation. The bottom line comes first......customers might have a chance at the second spot on the priority list.

[larry]

Originally Posted by ehcruzan

Larry, you can't think like a consumer if you want to understand the situation. The bottom line comes first......customers might have a chance at the second spot on the priority list.

Not sure I understand.

[bobolito]

Originally Posted by larry

What's that suppose to mean??

Someone else was gloryfing his "God of wireless" in a previous post.

[larry]

Originally Posted by bobolito

Someone else was gloryfing his "God of wireless" in a previous post.

Huh? I still don't get it.

[danny boi]

Larry, maybe they mean how VZW is the Wal-Mart (monopoly) of Wireless while the GSM carriers are the K-marts??? I don't buy nachos at K-mart. Then again, I don't buy clothes at Wal-Mart. Still rather shop at Wal-Mart. K-marts are dirty just like some reps. working in the wireless industry and have been going downhill since they declared bankrupcy a couple of years ago. To be fair, the Santa Ana, CA Wal-Mart is just as dirty as any K-Mart I've ever been too. LOL

Some like Wal-Mart, some like K-Mart. Wal-Mart is just bigger.

[larry]

LOL oh man you guys are really something with these odd replies that don't make much sense to me. I think I'll bow out of here now before it gets any weirder.

[AnthroMatt]

metaphors gone wild!

[NYCDru]

Originally Posted by ehcruzan

Larry, you can't think like a consumer if you want to understand the situation. The bottom line comes first......customers might have a chance at the second spot on the priority list.

Company Priorities

1.) Shareholders
2.) Profit margine
3.) Maybee...fi they are REALY lucky, customers.

[GoodmanR]

Originally Posted by YourDaddy

Larry, maybe they mean how VZW is the Wal-Mart (monopoly) of Wireless while the GSM carriers are the K-marts??? I don't buy nachos at K-mart. Then again, I don't buy clothes at Wal-Mart. Still rather shop at Wal-Mart. K-marts are dirty just like some reps. working in the wireless industry and have been going downhill since they declared bankrupcy a couple of years ago. To be fair, the Santa Ana, CA Wal-Mart is just as dirty as any K-Mart I've ever been too. LOL

Some like Wal-Mart, some like K-Mart. Wal-Mart is just bigger.

Too bad there is no Target in phone companies, they are way better than Wal or K Mart

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodmanR

Too bad there is no Target in phone companies, they are way better than Wal or K Mart

Sprint would kinda fit in that category..

[larry]

Agreed. lol

[bobolito]

If there is a "Target" in the wireless industry nowadays is AT&T Wireless! Just look at Sprint PCS advertisement, how much they "Target" AWS ... And let's not forget the bidding war we witnessed in February.

[larry]

And Sprint also targeted a deal with the upcoming AT&T VMNO service.

[ILUVSOCAL]

Originally Posted by GoodmanR

Too bad there is no Target in phone companies, they are way better than Wal or K Mart

It depends, I shop at all three (though Target only once a month, closest one is about 70 miles south of here in Santa Rosa, we have Wal-Mart in Ukiah, the closest K-Mart now though is in Lakeport, about 30 miles east of here, our very new K-Mart closed a couple of years ago, and just reopened this month as a brand new Home Depot), and all three have their good and bad points. I like Shopko too, though the closest one is over in Redding, about 150 miles away, used to shop at them a lot in Pocatello, Idaho.

[bobolito]

Wow! You drive 70 miles to get to a Target!??
Driving 70 miles from here I can get out of NJ, go across NY and end up in CT!

How do you get electricity in the middle of the Amazon?

[ILUVSOCAL]

Lol you easterners, we could fit about half of New England into just Mendocino County My dad works as a special investigator for the FBI and the DOJ, and sometimes trying to explain distances out here in the west to people back east is an excercise in patience! lol They have no comprehension of how big it is out west. They often can't understand we can't get to towns in a straight line, mountains here make that impossible, so going south, east and then north to get to a town east of us is not uncommon. Almost every time they send him a mileage allotment, he has to call back and tell them he needs more, "what, you can't get to Redding in 90 miles?" lol About once a month, we go down to Santa Rosa to go to Costco, Best Buy, and just ding around and shop, we don't have Costco, Best Buy or Target up here, Wal-Mart, Staples, Ross's, Blockbuster, JC Penney's, Mervyn's, and Home Depot we do have though, along with FoodMaXX, Albertson's, Raley's, Safeway's, etc, etc I drove those 68 miles (each way) every day, Monday thru Friday in 2000-2001 when I was going to Empire College in Santa Rosa to get my computer certs and degree. By the way, here's a pic just outside my yard, of our "amazon"

http://images.ofoto.com/photos691/7/...7705_0_ALB.jpg