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larry · 02-22-2005, 2:24 PM

OFF AIR NOTIFICATION

Site Number: OR18011C1 & OR18011C1
OFF-Air Date: 02/27/2005 (Projected)
# of Carriers: 1

Affected Coverage Area:

A 1.25 mile section of Highway 133 (Laguna Canyon) will experience a loss of coverage with the required de-activation of two CMIs.

Funded site, OG36XC545, currently has no primary candidate. A possible co-location is being investigated. Wireless Sites is working to obtain permission for RF to conduct a drive test complete an analysis. Should this location prove feasible (able to cover the CMI area), the co-location process could take from 6 months to 15 months before completed.

danny boi · 02-22-2005, 2:31 PM

Too bad. Isn't coverage already weak in that area of the canyons?

Sidenote:

I noticed that the 241/133 toll roads now have full service with my VZW phone where as before I'd get really bad service towards the top.

larry · 02-22-2005, 4:41 PM

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no service was actually good along there before. but now it wont be.

Andy · 02-24-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by YourDaddy

Too bad. Isn't coverage already weak in that area of the canyons?

Sidenote:

I noticed that the 241/133 toll roads now have full service with my VZW phone where as before I'd get really bad service towards the top.

Wasn't Sprint and T-Mobile/Cingular supposed to colocate together with VZW in order to cover the toll roads?? I though I read something about that somewhere.

BillRadio · 02-24-2005, 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by larry

OFF AIR NOTIFICATION

What happened? Another rockfall like the one in Topanga Canyon? Verizon had the same problem when an snow avalanche took out their site near Silverton, CO last month. They had to file with the FCC for a waiver because they can't access the area until the snow melts. Any canyon sites destroyed in CA may be repairable quickly, or gone forever.

larry · 02-24-2005, 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy84094

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Originally Posted by YourDaddy

Too bad. Isn't coverage already weak in that area of the canyons?

Sidenote:

I noticed that the 241/133 toll roads now have full service with my VZW phone where as before I'd get really bad service towards the top.

Wasn't Sprint and T-Mobile/Cingular supposed to colocate together with VZW in order to cover the toll roads?? I though I read something about that somewhere.

yes andy thats what happened. cingular was in charge of the project.

Tony E! · 02-24-2005, 9:56 PM

so why exactly is this tower going off air?

larry · 02-25-2005, 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BillRadio

What happened? Another rockfall like the one in Topanga Canyon? Verizon had the same problem when an snow avalanche took out their site near Silverton, CO last month. They had to file with the FCC for a waiver because they can't access the area until the snow melts. Any canyon sites destroyed in CA may be repairable quickly, or gone forever.

Sprint had a partnership with Cox cable that allowed them to attach micro-cells to Cox's facilities in a few South OC locations. That partnership ended last year so Sprint had to remove the remaining antennas. They had suitable time to look for replacement sites but just couldn't find a willing landlord to lease them space in this case.

Andy · 02-26-2005, 12:09 AM

Ah, so this was a micro-cell? Don't micro-cells only have a very, very small coverage radius anyways?
Are there any other cases where this agreement is causing harm to customers? I know there was a thread over on HoFo about that a long time ago.

larry · 02-26-2005, 1:30 AM

There were a number of sites in San Diego that got shut off and couldn't be replaced in time. But the vast majority of those sites were replaced by better sites that had more coverage and capacity. It has not been a known problem for Sprint.

ZaphodB · 02-26-2005, 12:22 PM

Highway 133 isn't all toll, though... west of the 405 it becomes a twisty, windy, narrow, and frequently fog-bound canyon road going to Laguna Beach.

Gman · 02-27-2005, 3:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Highway 133 isn't all toll, though... west of the 405 it becomes a twisty, windy, narrow, and frequently fog-bound canyon road going to Laguna Beach.

From my memory it's a good road NOT to be on the phone while driving.

larry · 02-05-2007, 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larry

OFF AIR NOTIFICATION

Site Number: OR18011C1 & OR18011C1
OFF-Air Date: 02/27/2005 (Projected)
# of Carriers: 1

Affected Coverage Area:

A 1.25 mile section of Highway 133 (Laguna Canyon) will experience a loss of coverage with the required de-activation of two CMIs.

Funded site, OG36XC545, currently has no primary candidate. A possible co-location is being investigated. Wireless Sites is working to obtain permission for RF to conduct a drive test complete an analysis. Should this location prove feasible (able to cover the CMI area), the co-location process could take from 6 months to 15 months before completed.

Just an update on this situation from 2 years ago. Sprint has finally activated both sites to replace the two that were shut down. The new sites actually provide better coverage than the previous ones did.

Here's a picture of one of them:

http://gallery.wirelessadvisor.com/s...php?i=3264&c=6

ZaphodB · 02-05-2007, 10:08 PM

Great, now if they could just fix the fricking VZW coverage on the 261 at Irvine Blvd...

larry · 02-05-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Great, now if they could just fix the fricking VZW coverage on the 261 at Irvine Blvd...

They shouldn't have a problem there. I see 2 Verizon sites less than 1/2 mile from the 261/Irvine Blvd.

ZaphodB · 02-06-2007, 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by larry

They shouldn't have a problem there. I see 2 Verizon sites less than 1/2 mile from the 261/Irvine Blvd.

Really? I consistently drop right under the bridge -- maybe topographic issues? Or maybe interference from the FasTrak? I don't know -- but I can't keep a call there. The other place that's bad is right east of the 91/241 -- in the regular lanes it works but in the FasTrak lanes it drops.

larry · 02-06-2007, 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Really? I consistently drop right under the bridge -- maybe topographic issues? Or maybe interference from the FasTrak? I don't know -- but I can't keep a call there. The other place that's bad is right east of the 91/241 -- in the regular lanes it works but in the FasTrak lanes it drops.

Once again very strange as Verizon has a site just North of the 91/241 and another one about 1 mile East along the Riverbed.

Sprint has the site that's mounted onto the big Featherly Regional Park sign at the 91/241.

Andy · 02-06-2007, 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by larry

Just an update on this situation from 2 years ago. Sprint has finally activated both sites to replace the two that were shut down. The new sites actually provide better coverage than the previous ones did.

Here's a picture of one of them:

http://gallery.wirelessadvisor.com/s...php?i=3264&c=6

Thanks for the update larry. This shows just how long it can take a carrier to find alternative locations and get a site on the air.

larry · 02-07-2007, 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Thanks for the update larry. This shows just how long it can take a carrier to find alternative locations and get a site on the air.

Yep. I think they could have done it sooner but they were waiting for the Nextel merger to complete so they could save a few a bucks and use Nextel's site rather than to build a new one at the same location.

jones · 02-09-2007, 9:42 AM

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02-22-2005, 2:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
larry Go Angels! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 12,844 Phone(s): LG Rumor Provider(s): Sprint Thanks: 11 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts Images: 144 My Auctions	Sprint to lose coverage in Laguna Canyon (133) within 1 week! :( OFF AIR NOTIFICATION Site Number: OR18011C1 & OR18011C1 OFF-Air Date: 02/27/2005 (Projected) # of Carriers: 1 Affected Coverage Area: A 1.25 mile section of Highway 133 (Laguna Canyon) will experience a loss of coverage with the required de-activation of two CMIs. Funded site, OG36XC545, currently has no primary candidate. A possible co-location is being investigated. Wireless Sites is working to obtain permission for RF to conduct a drive test complete an analysis. Should this location prove feasible (able to cover the CMI area), the co-location process could take from 6 months to 15 months before completed. Last edited by larry; 02-22-2005 at 9:59 PM.

02-22-2005, 2:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
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02-22-2005, 4:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
larry Go Angels! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 12,844 Phone(s): LG Rumor Provider(s): Sprint Thanks: 11 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts Images: 144 My Auctions	Re: Sprint to lose coverage in Laguna Canyon (133) with 1 week! :( Wirelessly posted (Samsung-SPHA680 AU-MIC-A680/2.0 MMP/2.0) no service was actually good along there before. but now it wont be.

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02-26-2005, 12:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
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02-26-2005, 1:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
larry Go Angels! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 12,844 Phone(s): LG Rumor Provider(s): Sprint Thanks: 11 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts Images: 144 My Auctions	Re: Sprint to lose coverage in Laguna Canyon (133) within 1 week! :( There were a number of sites in San Diego that got shut off and couldn't be replaced in time. But the vast majority of those sites were replaced by better sites that had more coverage and capacity. It has not been a known problem for Sprint.

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