any other providers have GPS as good as verizon

[tonedeaf]

verizon GPS is pretty damn good, it saves my life at work. I renewed with verizon for this simple fact, VZ navigator is irreplaceable for me now. I tried to use the cingular, I mean, Atnt GSP rep said only smart phones have them. tried it on a smart phone and it didnt work.

[nKrypteD1]

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

verizon GPS is pretty damn good, it saves my life at work. I renewed with verizon for this simple fact, VZ navigator is irreplaceable for me now. I tried to use the cingular, I mean, Atnt GSP rep said only smart phones have them. tried it on a smart phone and it didnt work.

In all actuality, the GPS part of the phones (and sprint is just as accurate if not better than verizon) is crap, the reason it's so accurate is because it's network assisted. If you really need a good GPS device off the beaten track, I'd look into some of the mainstream solutions such as Garmin. Best of luck.

[WumpusVA]

Verizon is great, but the second you go onto an extended network with VZW navigator, it drops dead because it can't load routes and maps because VZW is too cheap to have data roaming agreements with USCC and Alltel. I had a terrible time with the program a year or two back when I was in Lynchburg, VA (This is the case here in Virginia, I don't know if it's different elsewhere)

Sprint is your best bet for navigation... can anyone else chime in here?

Originally Posted by Wumpusva

Verizon is great, but the second you go onto an extended network with VZW navigator, it drops dead because it can't load routes and maps because VZW is too cheap to have data roaming agreements with USCC and Alltel. I had a terrible time with the program a year or two back when I was in Lynchburg, VA (This is the case here in Virginia, I don't know if it's different elsewhere)

Sprint is your best bet for navigation... can anyone else chime in here?

I don't know about Sprint, but last summer when I used Verizon's VZ Navigator both here in PA., and NJ., I never had a problem with the navigation feature dropping off. Sometimes it would pause and then reload the directions, but that's it....I don't know if any of those areas that I traveled in were in the extended area or not. My brother just went on a business trip to VA. and reported that the VZ Navigator worked the whole time, and that if he didn't have that he would have gotten lost more than a few times.

[dehaven.j]

well here in Peru, IN we are on extended network (USCC) and it doesnt work, which really sucks cause if it did I would probably pay for it!

[WumpusVA]

Originally Posted by MobilePrincess

I don't know about Sprint, but last summer when I used Verizon's VZ Navigator both here in PA., and NJ., I never had a problem with the navigation feature dropping off. Sometimes it would pause and then reload the directions, but that's it....I don't know if any of those areas that I traveled in were in the extended area or not. My brother just went on a business trip to VA. and reported that the VZ Navigator worked the whole time, and that if he didn't have that he would have gotten lost more than a few times.

I'm sure it works great in PA and NJ, but the moment you drop off the native verizon signal the program is useless. The other day I was able to use the sprint navigation program while roaming on SID's 309 (uscc) and 502 (vzw)... .again it all goes back to whether your provider has data roaming agreements. So overall, I would say that Sprint is better...

[tonedeaf]

Originally Posted by Wumpusva

I'm sure it works great in PA and NJ, but the moment you drop off the native verizon signal the program is useless. The other day I was able to use the sprint navigation program while roaming on SID's 309 (uscc) and 502 (vzw)... .again it all goes back to whether your provider has data roaming agreements. So overall, I would say that Sprint is better...

so sprint has better coverage then verizon, interesting

[Charlyee]

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

so sprint has better coverage then verizon, interesting

I don't know who has better coverage, but Verizon does not always have data roaming arrangements with their roaming partners. As an example, until recently I was not able to send/receive MMS or browse the web on my Verizon phone when I was on USCC, who is their only roaming partner in this area. So VZ Navigator would not work in those circumstances.

Originally Posted by Wumpusva

I'm sure it works great in PA and NJ, but the moment you drop off the native verizon signal the program is useless. The other day I was able to use the sprint navigation program while roaming on SID's 309 (uscc) and 502 (vzw)... .again it all goes back to whether your provider has data roaming agreements. So overall, I would say that Sprint is better...

[tonedeaf]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

I don't know who has better coverage, but Verizon does not always have data roaming arrangements with their roaming partners. As an example, until recently I was not able to send/receive MMS or browse the web on my Verizon phone when I was on USCC, who is their only roaming partner in this area. So VZ Navigator would not work in those circumstances.

thats not very reliable if you ask me. and considering sprint has data roaming agreements and is a small company then verizon doesnt make verizon the most reliable.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Charlyee

I don't know who has better coverage, but Verizon does not always have data roaming arrangements with their roaming partners. As an example, until recently I was not able to send/receive MMS or browse the web on my Verizon phone when I was on USCC, who is their only roaming partner in this area. So VZ Navigator would not work in those circumstances.

Hey there!
The problem with Verizon data roaming is not the fact that they don't have Data roaming agreements in place. Actually, Verizon has data roaming agreements with many carriers, including ALLTEL, U.S. Cellular, Bluegrass Cellular, just to name a few. The problem is that Verizon still does not allow data while roaming with a normal phone (even if it's an EVDO phone). Data roaming is only allowed with Air Cards and PDA/Smartphones where one pays for an actual data plan (I guess they don't consider the $5 Mobile Web or even the VZW Navigator fee enough to all you to data roam). Yes, this is another area where Verizon needs to get on the ball, because you should be able to use data, including VZW Navigator, MMS, and other things while data roaming, just like you can with any other wireless carrier.

Andy

P.S. Does your phone actually Data roam on U.S. Cellular? I'd like to know more about that.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

so sprint has better coverage then verizon, interesting

Sprint allows more roaming than Verizon and, including roaming, Sprint has the largest voice calling (and I believe Data) coverage area out of any carrier in the United States. Sprint has at least one roaming partner in each geographic area, even if they natively cover that area.
The fact that Sprint may be a better data option, as someone mentioned above, is that they allow Data roaming, even on normal phones ,whereas Verizon does not (yet).

[fractured]

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

so sprint has better coverage then verizon, interesting

As mentioned by others, it's because Sprint has data roaming and even allows in-market roaming. With Sprint, the user can control when and where s/he roams. With VZW, roaming is restricted or rather controlled by "The Network," and they certainly don't have data roaming. I know revenue is important and these carriers are not charities, but VZW really needs to loosen up before their customers become more educated and begin voting with their wallets.

[tonedeaf]

Originally Posted by Andy

Sprint allows more roaming than Verizon and, including roaming, Sprint has the largest voice calling (and I believe Data) coverage area out of any carrier in the United States. Sprint has at least one roaming partner in each geographic area, even if they natively cover that area.
The fact that Sprint may be a better data option, as someone mentioned above, is that they allow Data roaming, even on normal phones ,whereas Verizon does not (yet).

well then, cant sprint uses this as a add to attack verizon and the "most reliable" gimmick? For example, verizon is now pushing plans with unlimited text along with VZ navigator.... if someone was using this in a place where verizon was roaming, then they would get lost. not very reliable if you ask me

[Andy]

Originally Posted by fractured

As mentioned by others, it's because Sprint has data roaming and even allows in-market roaming. With Sprint, the user can control when and where s/he roams. With VZW, roaming is restricted or rather controlled by "The Network," and they certainly don't have data roaming. I know revenue is important and these carriers are not charities, but VZW really needs to loosen up before their customers become more educated and begin voting with their wallets.

You are mistaken: Verizon does have Data roaming agreements, just like Sprint does.
The problem is that Verizon does not allow Data roaming on normal, or even EVDO phones. They only allow it on PDA/Data devices and Data cards.

That is the difference.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

well then, cant sprint uses this as a add to attack verizon and the "most reliable" gimmick? For example, verizon is now pushing plans with unlimited text along with VZ navigator.... if someone was using this in a place where verizon was roaming, then they would get lost. not very reliable if you ask me

It depends on what you consider "Most Reliable." In your case, Verizon is not most reliable, but Verizon's Most Reliable Claim is not based on the VZW Navigator.

Originally Posted by tonedeaf

well then, cant sprint uses this as a add to attack verizon and the "most reliable" gimmick? For example, verizon is now pushing plans with unlimited text along with VZ navigator.... if someone was using this in a place where verizon was roaming, then they would get lost. not very reliable if you ask me

Reliability to me, is the ability make and receive calls every where I go. And thankfully with Verizon, I can.

Network Reliability Studies

[WumpusVA]

Originally Posted by MobilePrincess

Reliability to me, is the ability make and receive calls every where I go. And thankfully with Verizon, I can.

Network Reliability Studies

You VZW cheerleaders are absolutely adorable! I love when they pull out the network reliability 'stats' ...

[RJB]

Originally Posted by Wumpusva

You VZW cheerleaders are absolutely adorable! I love when they pull out the network reliability 'stats' ...

But you do have to admit that facts speak louder than opinions when you have them of course.

[tonedeaf]

Originally Posted by MobilePrincess

Reliability to me, is the ability make and receive calls every where I go. And thankfully with Verizon, I can.

Network Reliability Studies

yes, this WAS good, in the year 1997, but its 2007 now, and guess what, phones do ALOT more now, and a network based on just making and receiving calls is what they did on analog. so please, enough with the "well, I can can you, thats reliable can you hear me now" cheerleading from verizon.

a network studied now based upon how well ALL its services work, even in fringe or otherwise "roaming" territories.

it would be a nightmare if someone signed a 2 year agreement with verizon based on the now "highly promoted" unlimited navigator package, and this person depend on it, only to be crippled and lost in fringe or otherwise "roaming" territories.

verizon can not claim the most reliable, because promoting an unlimited navigator package when it wont work in fringe or otherwise "roaming" territories is wrong and should call for a class action lawsuit, and the FCC should look into if the public is being mislead.