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Old 08-05-2009, 4:05 PM     #1
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I went to WA00.com today on my Nokia N95 and got the "regular" (ie: non WAP/mobile device) page So I couldn't view WA00.com on my mobile phone. Is it something with my phone or the WA00 site?
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I went to WA00.com today on my Nokia N95 and got the "regular" (ie: non WAP/mobile device) page So I couldn't view WA00.com on my mobile phone. Is it something with my phone or the WA00 site?
Seems to work correctly with my K850i.
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I went to WA00.com today on my Nokia N95 and got the "regular" (ie: non WAP/mobile device) page So I couldn't view WA00.com on my mobile phone. Is it something with my phone or the WA00 site?
Works fine from my Treo Pro.
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It's working fine for me too (from the E70).
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I was never able to access the mobile site from my PDA devices (Pearl, Q, and now E63)... It senses that I am using a HTML browser and sends me to the regular page...

Am I missing something?
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Seems fine for me and my HTC Touch Pro on Opera 9.5, but like you, can't access wa00.com on my Nokia N95-8GB. I just had to go to the regular wirelessadvisor.com link on the N95-8GB.
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I can't get there either with the iPhone. I've always used the full site, which is better, and looks the same as on my pc/mac
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I can't get there either with the iPhone. I've always used the full site, which is better, and looks the same as on my pc/mac
Forgot to try my iPhone, but I guess I have same issue as you as well. Type in WA00.com - WAP entrance for WirelessAdvisor.com and it redirected me to www.wa00.com/wiforums/index. Page is blank except for "WirelessAdvisor.com" title on top of the page.
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Default Re: Can't Access WA00 on my phone

Ok, so it's not just me then.

@Joe: I don't know what method you use to detect mobile devices on the WA00 site, but on my RadioRaiders Mobile Home Page site (that is intended for mobile devices only) I have a javascript re-direct in my <head> that sends all browser windows larger than 800px to my regular site. Maybe you want to use this code as well?

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if (screen.width > 800){window.location.replace("http://www.radioraiders.com/mobile.html");}
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...but of course you can change the RadioRaiders link to your own WirelessAdvisor ....or not
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@Joe,

PLEASE, do not change anything that will redirect my mobile browser to wa00.com!

The WA experience on the iPhone safari browser is very rich and easy to navigate. I don't know why entering wa00.com gives me a blank page with only 'wirelessadvisor.com' on the page, but if you do fix this, please let me chose which experience I prefer.

I know that with my Nokia 6131, using opera, I could chose either site and it worked fine.
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@Joe,

PLEASE, do not change anything that will redirect my mobile browser to wa00.com!

The WA experience on the iPhone safari browser is very rich and easy to navigate. I don't know why entering wa00.com gives me a blank page with only 'wirelessadvisor.com' on the page, but if you do fix this, please let me chose which experience I prefer.

I know that with my Nokia 6131, using opera, I could chose either site and it worked fine.
viewfly, I believe what RR is asking for will only affect the the WAP site (WA00.com) not the regular site (WirelessAdvisor.Com). It is not going to take away anything but add the option of the N95s and the IPhones to accesss the WAP site as most other phones can do. The choice would still be yours which site you wanted to use. Hope this helps.

RR, please correct me if I am wrong.

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viewfly, I believe what RR is asking for will only affect the the WAP site (WA00.com) not the regular site (WirelessAdvisor.Com). It is not going to take away anything but add the option of the N95s and the IPhones to accesss the WAP site as most other phones can do. The choice would still be yours which site you wanted to use. Hope this helps.

RR, please correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Charlyee, Viewfly and all the other ships at sea:

My script would be put in the head of the WA00 pages to only allow mobile deivces (ie: browsers smaller than 800px wide) to enter. So, yes, Charlyee got it right, but viewfly misunderstood.

...anyway, it's just a suggestion. Maybe there's other ways to do it. But a simple JS in the header is quick and easy

...yea baby, I said quick and easy, grrrrr....


...oops, sorry, got carried away ...is it still OK to quote Austin Powers? Or am I too old?
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Charlyee, RR,

No misunderstanding here guys. I understood perfectly that the OP wanted to access the wa00.com from a mobile phone but got redirected to the full WA site instead.

If one wishes to go to wa00 for faster loading on any mobile, fix that; if one wishes to go to the full site on a mobile, keep that, and if one wanders to ww00 on a PC browser, and you wish to force them towards the full WA, that is fine too.

My 2cents () input was only a cautionary note not to break what is working perfectly for me.

As a very well respected intellectual once commented, "sometimes things happen that cause other things to happen"
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Forgot to try my iPhone, but I guess I have same issue as you as well. Type in WA00.com - WAP entrance for WirelessAdvisor.com and it redirected me to www.wa00.com/wiforums/index. Page is blank except for "WirelessAdvisor.com" title on top of the page.

I have seen this occasionally on the LG CU500. I believe that it's a memory issue - sometimes the browser runs out of memory and gives up. If this happens and I turn the phone off and on again, it usually starts working.

BTW, both sites, WA00 and WA (regular skin and mobile skin) work OK on the G1.



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I have seen this occasionally on the LG CU500. I believe that it's a memory issue - sometimes the browser runs out of memory and gives up. If this happens and I turn the phone off and on again, it usually starts working.

BTW, both sites, WA00 and WA (regular skin and mobile skin) work OK on the G1.



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I tried that but still no luck going to WA00.com - WAP entrance for WirelessAdvisor.com on the iPhone. However, the full version works though.
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I tried that but still no luck going to WA00.com - WAP entrance for WirelessAdvisor.com on the iPhone. However, the full version works though.
Does iPhone access other WAP sites without a problem?
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Does iPhone access other WAP sites without a problem?
Yes I can access other WAP sites. For example I cannot go to cnn.com ; I always get redirected to m.cnn.com and that loads fine.

I'd rather be able to go to the full site. But it works. Hence my concern with WA !
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Yes I can access other WAP sites. For example I cannot go to cnn.com ; I always get redirected to m.cnn.com and that loads fine.

I'd rather be able to go to the full site. But it works. Hence my concern with WA !
viewfly,I believe m.cnn.com is the mobile friendly version of the main site & not the wap site. Same difference as *WA Mobile Skin* (Mobile friendly version of the main site) & *WA00* (wap site).

Mine does the does the same thing with CNN btw.

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viewfly,I believe m.cnn.com is the mobile friendly version of the main site & not the wap site. Same difference as *WA Mobile Skin* (Mobile friendly version of the main site) & *WA00* (wap site).

Mine does the does the same thing with CNN btw.

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It may be "flexible" — mobile skin for HTML browsers, WAP for WML. The real test is to go to a hard-coded WAP-only site. Here's one: http://midlet.org/wap/index.jsp

If you go there with a regular browser, you won't see anything at all (or it may download the file).
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It may be "flexible" — mobile skin for HTML browsers, WAP for WML. The real test is to go to a hard-coded WAP-only site. Here's one: http://midlet.org/wap/index.jsp

If you go there with a regular browser, you won't see anything at all (or it may download the file).
dmapr,

Your site listing above gives me a code listing only.

I googled a listing of wap sites. Most redirect to m. or mobile. sites. Others just redirect to the full site.

This one from Zagats did not (?). Here is a comparison between the wap and the full site. Is it really a wap?



and by clicking on the link at the bottom right (Go to Zagats.com), I get this:


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Your site listing above gives me a code listing only.

I googled a listing of wap sites. Most redirect to m. or mobile. sites. Others just redirect to the full site.

This one from Zagats did not (?). Here is a comparison between the wap and the full site. Is it really a wap?



and by clicking on the link at the bottom right (Go to Zagats.com), I get this:

viewfly,

any properly designed WAP site would look to see if the user agent (browser) sent information about accepting WAP content. If the browser does not accept it (like a desktop browser) then the site should redirect to a normal portal. There are other things the server can look at to try & determine whether or not it's a mobile device and use a "mobile skin" (usually just a site formatted to be viewed on a small screen and without Flash/Java/Ajax content). Hard-coding WML is a bad practice, although it makes for a good testing tool

Without looking at the actual page source I can't tell whether it's WAP or not. A WAP site would use WML instead of HTML. The lines blur a little with WAP 2.0 since HTML becomes an accepted format for the server (not so in WAP 1.0) but any true WAP browser should be able to display a WAP 1.0 site. If all you see is code on that site then iPhone is not WAP 1.0 capable.

I guess only Joe can tell us whether wa00.com is WAP 1.0 or WAP 2.0.
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dmapr, if I go to my prefs on WA00 & then W&P Options, I get the following.

*WAP Options
Your WiDevice Only Supports WAP 2.0 (XHTML-MP)*

Does this signify anything to you?

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dmapr, if I go to my prefs on WA00 & then W&P Options, I get the following.

*WAP Options
Your WiDevice Only Supports WAP 2.0 (XHTML-MP)*

Does this signify anything to you?

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I suppose

It tells me that wa00 is an intelligent site and determines the capabilities of your device before blasting the content back. For my SE it allows me to choose between WML (WAP 1.1) and XHTML-MP (WAP 2.0).

What I still don't know is:
  • The list of the Accept headers each phone sends
  • How wa00 deals with devices that don't support any WAP at all
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I suppose

It tells me that wa00 is an intelligent site and determines the capabilities of your device before blasting the content back. For my SE it allows me to choose between WML (WAP 1.1) and XHTML-MP (WAP 2.0).

What I still don't know is:
  • The list of the Accept headers each phone sends
  • How wa00 deals with devices that don't support any WAP at all
There's so many mobile devices out there, and new ones coming every day that it's hard to keep up with the list of each phones UA's and Accept headers. I think if you want a comprehesnive list of all mobile devices and their UA and HTTP Accept info you need to subscibe to someone like:
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(you can also get that info for your phone only by visiting my m.radioraiders.com site on your mobile device)

To make an "intelligent" web site for mobile browsers is nice, but really requires alot of work and may not be worth the hassle for some (ex: me ). "Quick and dirty" ways of detecting/redirecting based on "easy things" is easier and maybe more effective, ex: if a HTTP_X_WAP_PROFILE is detected, then it's a mobile device, and leave it at that. Or if the screen resolution is less than 800px wide, then it's probably some kind of mobile device and leave it at that. It's alot simpler than looking for each deives profile and catering to that (altho maybe that's necessary in some cases, I'm not sure)
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There's so many mobile devices out there, and new ones coming every day that it's hard to keep up with the list of each phones UA's and Accept headers. I think if you want a comprehesnive list of all mobile devices and their UA and HTTP Accept info you need to subscibe to someone like:
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(you can also get that info for your phone only by visiting my RadioRaiders Mobile Home Page site on your mobile device)

To make an "intelligent" web site for mobile browsers is nice, but really requires alot of work and may not be worth the hassle for some (ex: me ). "Quick and dirty" ways of detecting/redirecting based on "easy things" is easier and maybe more effective, ex: if a HTTP_X_WAP_PROFILE is detected, then it's a mobile device, and leave it at that. Or if the screen resolution is less than 800px wide, then it's probably some kind of mobile device and leave it at that. It's alot simpler than looking for each deives profile and catering to that (altho maybe that's necessary in some cases, I'm not sure)
You don't have to look for each device's profile. There are only so many content types you will decide to render. You can say that you support text/html, text/plain & a couple of others. Then check to see if you got a match and stream out

Looking for X-WAP-Profile header is even more intelligent than that However, client-side things like Javascript are error-prone and you want to do as much as possible on the server side. It's always better to redirect with a 302 response than with a Javascript or even a metatag.
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You don't have to look for each device's profile. There are only so many content types you will decide to render. .
True, but maybe you need to check if it's a certain type of phone, ex. maybe some content is designed specifically for iPhones, or maybe some for BlackBerry etc. Rendering content for different screen sizes is also important, and that has to be done via javascript (as far as I know)When I was building my m.radioraiders.com site last year I was reading alot about designing sites for mobile devices, and it was more complicated that I thought it would be. If anyone is interested, this is a really useful site for developing websites for mobile devices: mobiForge

PS- WA00.com gets a good grade for mobile content design when run thru ready.mobi

http://ready.mobi/results.jsp?uri=ht...m&locale=en_EN

...altho failed the redirect test:

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This page contains a redirect
You should not use markup to redirect pages, as this incurs the cost of downloading and processing a page. Instead you should configure the server to perform redirects using HTTP 3xx codes.

Note that redirects should be avoided at all costs since each one adds both to the time and the cost of viewing the final page.

FAIL near line 6 column 165
Page contains an HTTP meta-equiv refresh which redirects to http://wa00.com/wiforums/Splash.php?...640c341dade854
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True, but maybe you need to check if it's a certain type of phone, ex. maybe some content is designed specifically for iPhones, or maybe some for BlackBerry etc. Rendering content for different screen sizes is also important, and that has to be done via javascript (as far as I know)When I was building my m.radioraiders.com site last year I was reading alot about designing sites for mobile devices, and it was more complicated that I thought it would be. If anyone is interested, this is a really useful site for developing websites for mobile devices: mobiForge

PS- WA00.com gets a good grade for mobile content design when run thru ready.mobi

MobiReady Report... processing your page

...altho failed the redirect test:
As you may remember, my phone doesn't report the screen size correctly via Javascript — but generally supports it. There are phones with no support for Javascript. Bottom line, it's a thankless job trying to make a mobile portal.
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any properly designed WAP site would look to see if the user agent (browser) sent information about accepting WAP content. If the browser does not accept it (like a desktop browser) then the site should redirect to a normal portal. There are other things the server can look at to try & determine whether or not it's a mobile device and use a "mobile skin" (usually just a site formatted to be viewed on a small screen and without Flash/Java/Ajax content). Hard-coding WML is a bad practice, although it makes for a good testing tool

Without looking at the actual page source I can't tell whether it's WAP or not. A WAP site would use WML instead of HTML. The lines blur a little with WAP 2.0 since HTML becomes an accepted format for the server (not so in WAP 1.0) but any true WAP browser should be able to display a WAP 1.0 site. If all you see is code on that site then iPhone is not WAP 1.0 capable.

I guess only Joe can tell us whether wa00.com is WAP 1.0 or WAP 2.0.
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so if you go to wap.zagat.com on a wap 1.0 device, do you get the same page as above? Charlyee??

I guess I should slip my sim into an older Nokia and give it a try.

In any case, not being able to go to a wap 1 site is not something i miss. That's the reason to have a good browser on the phone!

thanks for taking the time to l look into it.

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viewfly, I don't have a WAP 1.0 device. The wap.jagat.com on my Treo looks identical to the picture you posted.

For the record, I don't use the WAP site. I use the main site with the Mobile Skin & change to the standard skin when I need to obliterate spammers.
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so if you go to wap.zagat.com on a wap 1.0 device, do you get the same page as above? Charlyee??

I guess I should slip my sim into an older Nokia and give it a try.

In any case, not being able to go to a wap 1 site is not something i miss. That's the reason to have a good browser on the phone!

thanks for taking the time to l look into it.

vf
viewfly.

I honestly don't know — I too could possibly try it on a 3100 which according to Phonescoop is a WAP 1.x device and compare to what a WAP 2.0 one shows.
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