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MOTOhooligan · 10-14-2005, 12:45 PM

Phonescoop had this first but here's the FCC information on this phone. Apparently it will be called E1070.

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Gideon H · 10-14-2005, 4:10 PM

Wow Phonescoop was actually first on something? Thats new...

But I'm lovin' the TIM logo on the phone

(but no 3G on TIM Brasil... yet...) And I like this phone more than the V3x thus far. We'll see as time goes on.

ShoresGuy · 10-14-2005, 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gideon H

Wow Phonescoop was actually first on something? Thats new...

But I'm lovin' the TIM logo on the phone

(but no 3G on TIM Brasil... yet...) And I like this phone more than the V3x thus far. We'll see as time goes on.

Then buy a TIM Italy phone to complement your collection

. I will check if the E1070 is due out here in Germany as well. Normally Moto releases their new 3G handsets here pretty quickly after Asia.

Gideon H · 10-14-2005, 5:14 PM

Lol I'll just hop on over to Milan and pick one up

. This isnt the first time I really wanted a 3G phone from TIM Italy... last time it was the Motorola v980 (but not that ugly green one lol).

bonoriffic · 10-14-2005, 6:49 PM

The article claims it is RAZR based, but it isn't really a RAZR like phone. This will be available for Cingular in the US. Cingular already has UMTS coverage maps shown on their site if you know where to look.

ShoresGuy · 10-14-2005, 7:45 PM

I don't think this will be the first new 3G/UMTS phone for the US market from Motorola. One thing that the UMTS announcement neglects to mention is whether all 15 markets to implement UMTS on a wide scale is which band UMTS/HSDPA will be on. UMTS 1900 is a lot more likely since last I checked UMTS 850 wasn't being pushed until UMTS 1900 is implemented.

Fire14 · 10-14-2005, 11:06 PM

I didn't know other countries were starting to use the 2100 band, but per this in the letter to the FCC it is a triband using:
This device contains 900 MHz & 1800 MHz GSM, and 2100 MHz
WCDMA functions that are not operational in U.S. Territories.

Critic · 10-14-2005, 11:21 PM

Alright, I'm going to ask a stupid question here, but...

Why would the FCC have to approve a phone that will never (at least in its current form) be released in the US, since it doesn't operate on any US cell frequencies?

Gideon H · 10-14-2005, 11:46 PM

I think that this will be offered with a different combination of frequencies... like a UMTS 1900 instead of 2100 for the US.

And Fire, if I remember correctly, countries outside the US have always used UMTS 2100 and in America it started at 1900. But I could be wrong?

ShoresGuy · 10-15-2005, 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire14

I didn't know other countries were starting to use the 2100 band, but per this in the letter to the FCC it is a triband using:
This device contains 900 MHz & 1800 MHz GSM, and 2100 MHz
WCDMA functions that are not operational in U.S. Territories.

All European networks (Vodafone, T-Mobile, O2 etc), Japan and South Korea all have UMTS on 2100. I came across a Motorola V980 once which displayed UMTS 1900 in the Region menu when I asked it to display the manual frequency search option but this was probably just a firmware/flex option for later handsets which actually support UMTS 1900. The V980 is GSM 900/1800/1900/UMTS 2100.

Fire14 · 10-16-2005, 10:11 PM

I guess since it's not something you see or hear alot about, that is why I didn't know Europe used the 2100 band. Thanks both of you for the info & correction.

ShoresGuy · 10-17-2005, 5:57 AM

Anytime, Fire

, UMTS 2100 carries both UMTS voice/data traffic/packets. For Europe and the US, the uplink frequency is the same but if IIRC, UMTS will different for the US downlink since the voice end of it will be on 1900 and eventually on 850.

Here are a couple charts which nicely reflect the frequency allocation:

http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/images/umtsfreq.gif
http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/...eq_wrc2000.gif

Source: http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/frequencies.htm

http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=59120

10-14-2005, 12:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
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10-14-2005, 4:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
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Gideon H Quase Três Anos Com WA! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Higienópolis, São Paulo Posts: 2,234 Phone(s): Motorola E398 Provider(s): TIM Brasil Devices: Palm Tungsten E2, iPod, Presario V2311, HS850 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New RAZR-based 3G Clamshell Lol I'll just hop on over to Milan and pick one up . This isnt the first time I really wanted a 3G phone from TIM Italy... last time it was the Motorola v980 (but not that ugly green one lol). __________________ *Sem fronteiras... esse é como eu quero morar minha vida.*

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bonoriffic Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 680 Phone(s): V9m, Q Provider(s): Verizon Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New RAZR-based 3G Clamshell The article claims it is RAZR based, but it isn't really a RAZR like phone. This will be available for Cingular in the US. Cingular already has UMTS coverage maps shown on their site if you know where to look.

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Gideon H Quase Três Anos Com WA! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Higienópolis, São Paulo Posts: 2,234 Phone(s): Motorola E398 Provider(s): TIM Brasil Devices: Palm Tungsten E2, iPod, Presario V2311, HS850 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New RAZR-based 3G Clamshell I think that this will be offered with a different combination of frequencies... like a UMTS 1900 instead of 2100 for the US. And Fire, if I remember correctly, countries outside the US have always used UMTS 2100 and in America it started at 1900. But I could be wrong?

10-16-2005, 10:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Fire14 Easy,Cheap & Sleazy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Union County NJ Posts: 8,331 Phone(s): Razr V3xx, enV, Adventure, 6010 Provider(s): AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile ToGo Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Images: 293 My Auctions	Re: New RAZR-based 3G Clamshell I guess since it's not something you see or hear alot about, that is why I didn't know Europe used the 2100 band. Thanks both of you for the info & correction. __________________ Laugh Uncontrollably... It clears the mind

10-17-2005, 5:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
ShoresGuy Euer WA Experte in Europa Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 94065,US/Köln, Germany Posts: 6,569 Phone(s): HTC/T-Mobile MDA II PPC, Motorola E770V Provider(s): E-Plus (BASE 12 month flatrate)/Vodafone Germany Devices: T-Mobile MDA II - GSM 900/1800/1900 w/WM 2003 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Images: 419	Re: New RAZR-based 3G Clamshell Anytime, Fire , UMTS 2100 carries both UMTS voice/data traffic/packets. For Europe and the US, the uplink frequency is the same but if IIRC, UMTS will different for the US downlink since the voice end of it will be on 1900 and eventually on 850. Here are a couple charts which nicely reflect the frequency allocation: http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/images/umtsfreq.gif http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/...eq_wrc2000.gif Source: http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/frequencies.htm http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=59120

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