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Old 12-24-2002, 7:19 AM     #1
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anyone with any vast knowledge of breaking the system, and rebelling against limits set by corperate scandalers-----is there any known way to upload MY OWN midi files and gifs to my T720......WITHOUT USING THAT GODFORSAKEN GET IT KNOW!!!!


im starting to get frustrated.....and when i get frustrated, i place excessive force on my phone.....and when my phone breaks.........ILL REPORT IT TO VERIZON AS LOST/STOLEN AND GET ANOTHER ON FOR FREE!!!!!


PLEASE HELP!!
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and another thing?!?! can you bypass the lockout just by useing the data cable for the T720, or is that still not enough money that you hand over to verizon?? Thanks
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ya know it seems that tere is a lot of poeple not liking this get it now thing. why dosent everybody sign that petition if you get enough people together it will catch somebodys attention. but unfortunatly youll need alot of names ALOT !
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What makes people think a petition would work? Don't use the service or switch to another provider. Did Verizon ever promise you could use anything besides Get It Now? Verizon understands money. So long as they are making it, they won't change. Did you read what you were agreeing to when you signed your contract?
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Yeah, nobody has ever said anything about loading their own content onto a T720 and everyone constantly complains about Verizon's lockout of personal content. BUT we here happen to have our own secret methods that we've been keeping hidden from the rest of the internet and we're willing to share them with you.

NO. Thanks for using my icon, incidentally.
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crood is right get it now makes verizon a killing on the monitary side of things. they wont get rid of it unless "sales drop big time." more than 70% of users would have to stop using it and kill verizons sales.....fat chance !
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What on earth is the hangup with "Get It Now"?

Is it that you can't put YOUR Brittney Spears photo on the wallpaper? What personal stuff is so critical to put on the phone?

And yes, Verizon is (or at least better be) profit-motivated. What do you think is driving all of this R&D anyway, philanthropy?

They make a slice of the money you pay for the apps. Where's the problem? The apps deliver value and cost money. Further, they are OPTIONAL.

If you do not want them, do not buy them.

I still am confused about what the problem is with Get It Now.

Educate me.
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Yeah, nobody has ever said anything about loading their own content onto a T720 and everyone constantly complains about Verizon's lockout of personal content. BUT we here happen to have our own secret methods that we've been keeping hidden from the rest of the internet and we're willing to share them with you.

NO. Thanks for using my icon, incidentally.
if your serious about a way to get around the lock-out, i would like to know about it. i have developed some apps i want to put on my T720 and i need a way to test them on my phone before i submit them to some sites i have found. i would appreciate the info, as i am more than frustrated with this situation.
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Imagine if you got AOL Internet service and AOL would not allow you to use Amazon to purchase a CD player. AOL forced still you to purchase it through their AOL shop.

Imagine if you purchased a digital camera, but Sony would only allow you to print your pictures by sending them the files and them charging a premium vs you using your printer.

If they could get away with it, they would. Verizon is getting away with it, but if enough people complain to them and the FCC this may open up in the future. (not holding my breath though)

Contact Verizon Exec Office
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Imagine if you got AOL Internet service and AOL would not allow you to use Amazon to purchase a CD player. AOL forced still you to purchase it through their AOL shop.

Imagine if you purchased a digital camera, but Sony would only allow you to print your pictures by sending them the files and them charging a premium vs you using your printer.

If they could get away with it, they would. Verizon is getting away with it, but if enough people complain to them and the FCC this may open up in the future. (not holding my breath though)

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Are these good analogies?

AOL is offering internet service, not AOL service. If AOL offered AOL service and didn't let you use the internet as a whole, then get rid of AOL service and get internet service.

The camera example would be appropriate if Verizon sold you phone service then told you that calling your home, or friends, or voice-mail cost a premium over calling "verizon approved" phone numbers.

Just try to play a "non-nintendo-approved" game on your gamecube. Try to buy a discounted phone from Verizon and then use it on Cingular. Try to buy a Tivo and then use ReplayTV programming information on it.

The hardware is heavily subsidized by the hope of future revenue from complementary purchases (games, subscriptions, etc.). That is the business model. If you do not like the business model, then go do business with another company.

Heck, even better, create your own business model, line up capital then roll out your own venture.

If that's too much work, then keep complaining on these boards.
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personally i thought his analogies were quite on par with the pathetic policies implimented by verizon. im with ya pal and the majority of verizon users that enjoy utilizing hardware for what it was purchased for agree too.
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AOL is offering internet service, not AOL service. If AOL offered AOL service and didn't let you use the internet as a whole, then get rid of AOL service and get internet service.
They use to until they found their customers would not tolerate it
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The camera example would be appropriate if Verizon sold you phone service then told you that calling your home, or friends, or voice-mail cost a premium over calling "verizon approved" phone numbers.
Hmmm... seems like they do this
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Just try to play a "non-nintendo-approved" game on your gamecube. Try to buy a discounted phone from Verizon and then use it on Cingular. Try to buy a Tivo and then use ReplayTV programming information on it.
I'll give you the game-cube example, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. If enough customers say that they want open access to manage their phone, they may just get it...
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The hardware is heavily subsidized by the hope of future revenue from complementary purchases (games, subscriptions, etc.). That is the business model. If you do not like the business model, then go do business with another company.
Heck, even better, create your own business model, line up capital then roll out your own venture.

If that's too much work, then keep complaining on these boards.
Pretty standard to get the phone service, Get-It-Now is new and if you agree with it, sit back. If not, stand up.


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I'll give you the game-cube example, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. If enough customers say that they want open access to manage their phone, they may just get it...

Pretty standard to get the phone service, Get-It-Now is new and if you agree with it, sit back. If not, stand up.
We probably agree more than not.

Here's the thing: Verizon will only respond to what they perceive will affect their future profit. Any effective effort directed at inspiring a change from verizon needs to keep this in mind.

They will back off of a closed "Get It Now" only if they perceive that staying the course will cost them money. They will open "Get It Now" if they see that they will make more money.

Lots of complaining to verizon helps., but only if it sends a credible message that their closed system is going to cost them future profits, either in direct erosion of subscribership or degradation of their branding efforts through PR problems.

All I am saying is try to see it from their perspective. I seriously doubt that verizon executives are inherently evil at their core. I don't know them, so they may be evil, but I doubt it.

Come up with a better way to boost profits. Send a credible message that your way is a superior way to proceed. If you do that, then you will see results, fast.
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there see? we all can play nice. i do think they are evil---evil monkeys. i like monkeys usually, but verizon are worse than the scary ones in the Wizard of Oz. ooooo they are so creepy!
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Lots of complaining to verizon helps., but only if it sends a credible message that their closed system is going to cost them future profits, either in direct erosion of subscribership or degradation of their branding efforts through PR problems.

All I am saying is try to see it from their perspective. I seriously doubt that verizon executives are inherently evil at their core. I don't know them, so they may be evil, but I doubt it.
I have been on the other end of this. I fully understand their perspective, but also know the power of directed exec complaints and getting a point of view out in public forums. Believe me, this method can, and does, work in many situations.
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Come up with a better way to boost profits. Send a credible message that your way is a superior way to proceed. If you do that, then you will see results, fast.
I'm a realist... The likelihood of someone getting a better idea and them removing Get-It-Now (fast) is slim. The letter I sent Verizon commented about keeping Get-It-Now, but open the phone. This allows the 2% geek/"squeaky wheel" population to spend $40 on a cable and search the Internet for ringtones while not cutting into the phone based Interface to Get-It-Now for the masses

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Woop woop
spoken as a true hero. my heart goes out to you. you are one of few intelligent beings that grace this forum with their presence!
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why are people so serious about ringtones and games?
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why are people so serious about ringtones and games?

Look, when you buy a car from a dealer, you expect all the options on it to be available for use. Now imagine the dealer makes it so you can't use the A/C, 4th and 5th gear, and your headlites only come on when you pay the dealer a fee. Not too fair. A lot of people like the options available on the T720, but are frustrated that their "dealer" Verizon has put a lock on half the options. Many people got this phone because they wanted to be able to download nifty ringtones and play color games but were unpleasantly surprised to find that this was not possible with Verizon. Ringtones and games help people personalize their phones, just like the wallpaper on your computer, the posters on your walls, the music you play in your cd/mp3 player. Plus the fact that Verizon advertises that you can change the wallpaper, screensaver, etc. (Quote:
Personalize your T720 by changing the color palette, wallpaper and screensavers to match your mood - direct from Verizon T720 page) makes me a little miffed. If I'm told my phone will do something by the provider, it better damn well do it! Anyway, 'nuff with the ranting.

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why are people so serious about ringtones and games?

Look, when you buy a car from a dealer, you expect all the options on it to be available for use. Now imagine the dealer makes it so you can't use the A/C, 4th and 5th gear, and your headlites only come on when you pay the dealer a fee. Not too fair. A lot of people like the options available on the T720, but are frustrated that their "dealer" Verizon has put a lock on half the options. Many people got this phone because they wanted to be able to download nifty ringtones and play color games but were unpleasantly surprised to find that this was not possible with Verizon. Ringtones and games help people personalize their phones, just like the wallpaper on your computer, the posters on your walls, the music you play in your cd/mp3 player. Plus the fact that Verizon advertises that you can change the wallpaper, screensaver, etc. (Quote:
Personalize your T720 by changing the color palette, wallpaper and screensavers to match your mood - direct from Verizon T720 page) makes me a little miffed. If I'm told my phone will do something by the provider, it better damn well do it! Anyway, 'nuff with the ranting.

-cog
Not that it makes it any better, but im sure Verizon said you can change your wallpaper to mean you can select from the 6 or so already on there. I know it's deceptive, but im sure thats how they can draw in customers without completly lying.
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ahh thanks a lot incognito
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sorry but my "mood" has never been "modern" or a "f*cked up sailboat" or a "f*cking patch of sunflowers"

good one verizon. these are not "moods" they are just holes in you plan for over charging and being b*tches about every 2 kilobyte pic i want on my $450 phone.
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sorry but my "mood" has never been "modern" or a "f*cked up sailboat" or a "f*cking patch of sunflowers"

good one verizon. these are not "moods" they are just holes in you plan for over charging and being b*tches about every 2 kilobyte pic i want on my $450 phone.
No kidding. I would seriously prefer some little fluffy bunnies or mebbe a pony. Or a picture of Bea Arthur nekkid - yeah that's the mood i'm in....

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holy whack!! you too?? gosh i thought i was the only perve..... i mean, sophisticated pornographical conisuier.
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You can change your colors and wallpaper on the T720. I don't recall Verizon saying you could download & save images to your phone to match your mood. If I'm not mistaken, I don't the Verizon system can support saving & downloading images in the same manner as GSM users. My suggestion to the whiners is to give up voice quality and switch to a GSM provider that can give let you have put games and ringtones on your phone for free. Ain't life a b!tch!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
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ummmm........no shut up
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ummmm........no shut up
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Well my take on this is my main purpose for buying the phone was to be able to make calls, the wallpaper, games, and apps are all extras to me. I could go and buy the AT&T GSM version of the T720, but I would drop calls and be unable to use the phone hardly anywhere. I can imagine it now we break down driving on the highway and I pull out my AT&T T720 to play MotoGP, and my wife says why aren't you calling the tow truck and I say there is no GSM service on Alligator Alley, but you can play MotoGP to pass the time. I hate the lockout as much as anyone, but the phone works it has never dropped a call or given me any problems, so until AT&T gets their GSM service in vast areas of the country I will stick with what I have. Also anyone here if they were in charge of VZW they would do the same thing, I don't know how many businesses managed to stay afloat giving everything away.
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Also anyone here if they were in charge of VZW they would do the same thing, I don't know how many businesses managed to stay afloat giving everything away.
Oi, OMG. Look, I think the big thing here is keep GiN for the 98% of the people who don't care about all the functions their phones are capable of. Let them pay fer games and to look at pretty pictures. But unlock the rest of the phone for the 2% of the population that like messing around with the full potential of their equipment. It's called a "Happy Medium" or "Compromise." Verizon still gets to make tons of money by sticking it to the poor schtups that don't care or don't know any better and the rest of us who do care and/or know better can still have our fun too.

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