steel antenna

[JamisonBWolsh]

Hmmm....

Better yet. I will test my theory on my phone. I will go to an area that is impossible to get a signal. Venice beach. The boardwalk can get a weak signal, but if you walk up to the Ocean, the reception drops. I will try to make a call with the OEM antenna (last time i did not get a signal). I will then take that antenna off and add the retractable Antenna. If that does not work, then your right. HOWEVER, if I can get a signal, where the oem antenna cannot, then there is N_O_T_H_I_N_G you can say to change the fact that the OEM failed and the Retractable antenna worked. At this time, I do not have it, so I cannot test it. So to continue this talk is pointless.

[Bitslap47]

I'll agree to that if another unbiased party performs the OEM antenna test, and you are able to reporodcue the results consistently.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Unbiased? My results are going to be the truth. If you dont like the findings, whatever they are, fine. I still am going to post it. Hey, you never know, once I put the retractable on, it may not work in the area! If it works, then I am going to spread the word that the retractable antenna WORKS and everyone should get it.

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh
Unbiased? My results are going to be the truth. If you dont like the findings, whatever they are, fine. I still am going to post it. Hey, you never know, once I put the retractable on, it may not work in the area! If it works, then I am going to spread the word that the retractable antenna WORKS and everyone should get it.

Oh. Sorry, I forgot.

Here you go:

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un·bi·ased also un·bi·assed ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-bst)
adj.
Without bias or prejudice; impartial. See Synonyms at fair1.
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I didn't say anything about not telling the truth. Interesting that you did.......

[JamisonBWolsh]

You must be joking...I KNOW what the word means! Im beginning to think that even if the reception comes out much better, you will say "Oh, the OEM is better"

Just like one of the millions of poeple in the past that said the world is flat...

[Bitslap47]

If there is an unbiased party involved, I'll have no problem accepting your results.

Would you believe me at this point if I said I just tested them here and the OEM is better?

[Bitslap47]

OK.

I am sending this email to LG, Motorola, Nokia, and Sony Ericsson.

Substitute LG with the proper company name:

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Hello

I am a member of an online cellular discussion forum. There are users in the forum who swear by aftermarket retractable steel antennas. They state that they increase signal strength and extend battery life.

They also state that LG/cellular handset manufacturers make the antenna small and inefficient in order to bow to the users' want of smaller "stubby" antennae.

Are these aftermarket antennas better? Are they safe? What are the technical reasons to use/not use these antennas?

Thank you for your time.
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I'll let you know when I get replys!

[JamisonBWolsh]

Say whatever your want. You just discredited yourself. At this point, I am not going to make any responses to your Speculation or your hostility.


Send that email. The MANUFACTURERS are going to say use their antennas, like they said to use only their equipment. Be a follower. I am going to test it MYSELF and find out the result MYSELF. No 3rd party opinions.

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh
Say whatever your want. You just discredited yourself. At this point, I am not going to make any responses to your Speculation or your hostility.

How?

By asking you to answer a question? I was explaining why an unbiased party is required.

????????????????????

I guess you'll dispute the manufacturer's answers as well then, but I'll post them here for the others.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Do you actually going to think they will discredit their own product??? I dont think so. mmm... I know they wont. Getting result from manufacturers is worthless. you have to actually test it yourself.

I have yet to hear a manufacturer using the herb EPHEDRA saying that the herb is dangerous...


Oh yea... can I write to the many manufactorers of cigerattes and ask if their cigerattes are good to smoke? Also, if it is safe to smoke them? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Just common sense...

[Bitslap47]

Have you read the side of a cigarette pack lately? They advertise that they cause lung cancer or some other horrid disease on every pack.

It's "common sense" to read the labeling on the cigarettes.

It's "common sense" to read the operating manual of your cellular phone as well.

I don't understand your paranoia you try to sell as "common sense" as it suggests every company is out to get you.

The whole "of course they won't be honest" drum gets beaten a little too much, and is quite often wrong.

No problem though. I've already taken the liberty of e-mailing several well known antenna design firms as well in anticipation of your flawed reasoning.

I'll post their responses as well.

[JamisonBWolsh]

All is well..... You do that.



I will post a REAL LIFE experience with this antenna on a VX6000.

If it works, There is nothing that you can say that will convince me otherwise.

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh
All is well..... You do that.



I will post a REAL LIFE experience with this antenna on a VX6000.

If it works, There is nothing that you can say that will convince me otherwise.

No thoughts on the bottom of the article where the author says:

"Here's a chart which shows this relationship between signal strength and antenna length in wavelengths"

Wavelengths, not inches, not physical size.

No thoughts on the cigarette example?

You think all the engineers in the world are wrong, or they just don't want YOU to have good signal strength? Are there RF engineers walking around with modded cell phones so they get the benefits no one else does?

If it worked, wouldn't more people have them? I haven't seen any of these antennas in my travels.

Wouldn't Verizon or other providers love to reach MORE customers without putting up any new towers by selling these antennas as accessories?

As I said, your results without independent proof (i.e manufacturer endorsement, engineering community endorsement) means nothing. You could even be lying about owning a VX6000.

It's a fact of the internet. Unless you are willing to have a third party present, everyone will take your results with a grain of salt.

My comments and "speculations" as you call them can be backed up by any good RF antenna design book in bookstores across America, and the world.

The words "internal antenna" and "antenna booster" come to mind.....

[Bitslap47]

6 posts against on HOFO, and 1 for.

Popular opinion seems to be against the retractable antenna, at least on HOFO.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Whatever.

The cigarette company did not want to add that. That is required by LAW! Have you not heard of all the studies they did and it came out that it was harmfull and then told the public it was not??? I guess your ears was stuck in the words of the manufactorer. Oh well.

In your previous statement, you pretty much summed up whatever i say about the outcome of my antenna is a Lie.
Again. Whatever.

If it works, At least I know my cell phone is will pick up reception when yours can't.
When the day comes when you desperetly need the use of your cell phone and you cant use it because your lack of a signal, dont cry to me and ask to use my phone because mine has signal!

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by: Bitslap47
6 posts against on HOFO, and 1 for.

Popular opinion seems to be against the retractable antenna, at least on HOFO.

Hmmm...where do you get these from???? Air?? these poeple never even owned them! they are just like you. PLUS I had more than one person saying it worked great! Name me JUST ONE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY OWNS IT that says it does not work. just one. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Otherwise, its all unproven lies. I have scientific proof that showed you with links. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ONE LINK THAT SAYS IT WILL NOT WORK!!!!!!

Show me your scientific proof that it does not work. Not peoples "opinions". Give me REAL PROOF from people owning them or from a scientific article.

Whatever response you get from the MANUFACTORER is invalid and unacceptable.

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh


The cigarette company did not want to add that. That is required by LAW! Have you not heard of all the studies they did and it came out that it was harmfull and then told the public it was not??? I guess your ears was stuck in the words of the manufactorer. Oh well.

Hadn't you heard of them either? You implied they would lie even though it is printed on each pack. You asked if you could call them and ask if they were harmful. You sure can.

The FCC tests the handsets for safety using the OEM antenna. Where is the FCC test data for the aftermarket antennae?

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh


In your previous statement, you pretty much summed up whatever i say about the outcome of my antenna is a Lie.
Again. Whatever.

I simply pointed out it COULD be a lie, and you have no backing to your claim when it is made. My claims however are backed up in design texts around the world.

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh


If it works, At least I know my cell phone is will pick up reception when yours can't.
When the day comes when you desperetly need the use of your cell phone and you cant use it because your lack of a signal, dont cry to me and ask to use my phone because mine has signal!

You couldn't possibly know that as you won't be testing in my area. I would never ask to borrow a cell phone, especially one that looks like it's from "Trigger Happy TV."

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh


I have scientific proof that showed you with links. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ONE LINK THAT SAYS IT WILL NOT WORK!!!!!!

Show me your scientific proof that it does not work. Not peoples "opinions". Give me REAL PROOF from people owning them or from a scientific article.

My scientific proof is in RF design texts around the world. As I said, go to a bookstore. What don't you understand? There is proof in every bookstore. Go get an antenna design book.

I am assuming you will find a reason to not believe the responses from the independant antenna designers too, right?

[JamisonBWolsh]

Double posting???? Amatuers!


Still waiting for your links [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I showed several people that owned this and LOVES it. I also shown you a link to a page that says the antenna should be 7 1/2 inches.

You showed me- NO proof. Just heresay. and "go pick up a book at radio shack". Well, that not my job. Your making the point. If your saying is true, I would assume it would be on the web. Its NOT, because its Not true. SO WHERE IS YOUR LINK?



Thought so..

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh

Hmmm...where do you get these from???? Air??

Right here is where I got that number:



HOFO: Retractable Antenna?? <No answer is acceptable>

[JamisonBWolsh]

Again with Hearsay.... No one on that thread that talked negatively about actually OWNED one. Hear say. Still waiting for that Link. a few (who OWNED one) said it works great..


Come on now...WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?????? without it, what your saying is worthless. Your job is to show proof. You have not done that. just shown other poeples "opinions" who never actually owned them...

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh
Double posting???? Amatuers!


Still waiting for your links [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

I showed several people that owned this and LOVES it. I also shown you a link to a page that says the antenna should be 7 1/2 inches.

You showed me- NO proof. Just heresay. and "go pick up a book at radio shack". Well, that not my job. Your making the point. If your saying is true, I would assume it would be on the web. Its NOT, because its Not true. SO WHERE IS YOUR LINK?



Thought so..

Where is the test data for the steel retractable antenna?

I see an article that says an antenna of a specific WAVELENGTH.

He doesn't mention your steel retracatable antenna though.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Im not going over this again with you. Later. ADIOS.


UNTILL YOU PROVEN YOURSELF WITH VALID LINKS, everything you say is WORTHLESS!!!!

WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: JamisonBWolsh
Im not going over this again with you. Later. ADIOS.


UNTILL YOU PROVEN YOURSELF WITH VALID LINKS, everything you say is WORTHLESS!!!!

WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????
WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????WHERE IS YOUR LINK????

Read the section explaining physical versus electrical length. I found this in 5 minutes, you could have too.


HERE IS MY LINK!!! HERE IS MY LINK!!! HERE IS MY LINK!!!

[Bitslap47]

And here. Note Section 3.

http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_electrical_length.html

[Tony E!]

ok gentlemen, maybe you would like to use the "PM" option, some of us will either used the antenna, or some of us won't let's move on shall we.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[Bitslap47]

And note here on page 7 near figure 4 how it describes the fact that ELECTRICAL LENGTH contributes to gain. Not physical length.

http://www.centurion.com/pdf/centuri...ide-043002.pdf

[Bitslap47]

And finally, here is a link to someone who will make an antenna matching the gain you require, in almost any physical size.

http://www.lm-electronics.com/rfq.htm

[Bitslap47]

Originally posted by: djtonye
ok gentlemen, maybe you would like to use the "PM" option, some of us will either used the antenna, or some of us won't let's move on shall we.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

I tried.. he has the option turned off unfortunately... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

My most recent posts do however contain links that are very useful, and I think will be interesting to others. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Tony E!]

Originally posted by: djtonye
ok gentlemen, maybe you would like to use the "PM" option, some of us will either used the antenna, or some of us won't let's move on shall we.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

ok, both of you, go to your room[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]