Dream Phone

[ye110man]

it's kinda disappointing that there aren't any phones that have everything that i want. my dream phone...

clamshell design with external lcd
2.8" 24-bit color 320x240 resolution screen
running microsoft smartphone 2002
bluetooth
1xrtt
built-in swivel 640x480 resolution webcam
downloadable midi ringtones
photo caller id
20gb hard drive module
gps with some sort of mapping program
ability to sync and transfer files and gps data via bluetooth
divx video player
aol instant messenger
h.323 compatible msn messenger (ability to route calls to your home phone to your cell phone).

[ZaphodB]

Originally posted by: ye110man
it's kinda disappointing that there aren't any phones that have everything that i want. my dream phone...

clamshell design with external lcd
2.8" 24-bit color 320x240 resolution screen
running microsoft smartphone 2002
bluetooth
1xrtt
built-in swivel 640x480 resolution webcam
downloadable midi ringtones
photo caller id
20gb hard drive module
gps with some sort of mapping program
ability to sync and transfer files and gps data via bluetooth
divx video player
aol instant messenger
h.323 compatible msn messenger (ability to route calls to your home phone to your cell phone).

Good grief. Buy a laptop and a regular phone...and a data cable to connect the two.

[IdiOTeQnoLogY]

amen.

[ye110man]

so i should carry around a laptop, cell phone, mp3 player, digital camcorder, and gps device and then wait for a boot up when i want directions?

most of the features i listed are already available. the exceptions are the quality of the screen, quality of the webcam, divx video player, hard drive and h.323 compatibility. the pda/cell phones available today can do all that but they're big. they're basically pda's that can make calls. i want a cell phone with full pda features which is the whole idea behind microsoft's smartphone. but the smartphone is still too limited.

[ZaphodB]

Originally posted by: ye110man
so i should carry around a laptop, cell phone, mp3 player, digital camcorder, and gps device and then wait for a boot up when i want directions?

most of the features i listed are already available. the exceptions are the quality of the screen, quality of the webcam, divx video player, hard drive and h.323 compatibility. the pda/cell phones available today can do all that but they're big. they're basically pda's that can make calls. i want a cell phone with full pda features which is the whole idea behind microsoft's smartphone. but the smartphone is still too limited.

You want all of that in a cell-phone sized package? You ARE dreaming.

Now, let's see here. If you got a laptop with a quick-booting OS (say Windows 98SE or one of the less bloated versions of Linux, or even a Mac), you would get the HDD, the GPS device (could be mounted to the laptop or used as a PCMCIA card), the DivX video player - which would have ethical issues being put on a device for commercial sale - and the webcam via another mount.

You'd need to carry a laptop and a cell phone with digital camera/camcorder, or else a laptop, a cell, and a separate digital camera.

Now let's pretend that all of this comes in a cell phone. You'd have a phone, and for the sake of argument let's make it the size of the Moto V60. You'd have to have the digital camcorder which would be at least the same size as the V60 - but the screen, in order to give you that resolution, would have to be bigger. The plug-in hard drive would be three times the size of the V60. The MP3 player attachment would be as big as or smaller than the V60, plus headphones. The GPS device plugin would be slightly smaller than the phone itself but would have to have a prodigious antenna.

You're already past the size of the small Sony Vaio laptops. Not to mention that watching DivX videos on your cell phone's tiny screen would be an exercise in pain, and the battery wouldn't last ten minutes with heavy use of any of the above... just rendering a cell phone screen at the desired resolution would kill the battery in next to no time.

Dreams are good but sometimes unrealistic.

[ye110man]

ok the t720 already has gps and the gms version will have a digital camera. the capture would be 640x480 but would when displaying on the phone it every other pixel will be ommited to display it on a 320x240 resolution screen. so far no change in size. the hard drive would be a module so it could be entirely optional. but it wouldn't add that much more. the toshiba 1.8" hard drives are extremely small and so not much more size would be added. there is no separate mp3 player. the hard drive holds the mp3s.

so in the end you have a cell phone not much bigger than some of the smaller cell phones out there today and smaller than a lot of the larger cell phones out today.

as for a divx player. it doesn't need to be included. it can be 3rd party software. there is already a divx player for pocket pc's.

when the camera isn't in use and you aren't using the mp3 player, the power consumption would be similar to any other cell phone.

[paulyk]

Originally posted by: ye110man
it's kinda disappointing that there aren't any phones that have everything that i want. my dream phone...

clamshell design with external lcd

That is gay.

[paulyk]

please forgive my quote above.........means nothing.

[bobolito]

Well, that's just what it is: A dream!

Mine would be more communications oriented:
- A phone that can roam on ANY network (TDMA, GSM, CDMA, iDEN, Analog, CDMA2000, UMTS, Satellite, etc.) on ANY band (800, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100) with no agreement limitations.
- Should be wrist wearable, the size of a regular wrist watch.
- The earset should be wireless too.
- Have 10MBPS wireless link capability to and from the network and use 802.11b (wireless ethernet) to connect to my laptop.
- Ability to be programmed to start my car, lock/unlock it and receive status info from my car, such as if its running or when someone opens a door.
- Of course all the good stuff that we have today such as email and SMS.
- Ability to receive keystrokes from an external wireless keyboard for easy email typing (as an option).
- Should have voice recognition to take notes, write email, SMS or chat.
- Should be able to directly connect to any instant messengers such as MSN or AOL.
- Should be solar rechargeable.
- Should be able to transfer calls to any other phones like an office phone.

Again, I realize this is only a dream. Maybe I won't see the day when this happens if it does. I also realize this requires the perfect carrier and the perfect plan as well.

[bobolito]

By the way, ye110man, your dream phone may be closer to reality than you think:


http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/phon...ils.php?id=167

[ye110man]

Originally posted by: bobolito
Mine would be more communications oriented:
- A phone that can roam on ANY network (TDMA, GSM, CDMA, iDEN, Analog, CDMA2000, UMTS, Satellite, etc.) on ANY band (800, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100) with no agreement limitations.

i wish.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- Should be wrist wearable, the size of a regular wrist watch.

i wouldn't be caught dead wearing something like that.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- The earset should be wireless too.

available from ericson.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- Have 10MBPS wireless link capability to and from the network and use 802.11b (wireless ethernet) to connect to my laptop.

bluetooth is more suitable for this capability.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- Ability to be programmed to start my car, lock/unlock it and receive status info from my car, such as if its running or when someone opens a door.

you'd need 2 cell phones then. 1 for the car and 1 to communicate with it.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- Should be solar rechargeable.

i don't think solar power would provide enough power for a cell phone.

Originally posted by: bobolito
- Should be able to transfer calls to any other phones like an office phone.

call forwarding is available from the service provider.

[ye110man]

wow that mpeg4 phone is hot! but it doesn't say anything about a hard drive. you need a hard drive to hold videos.

[WirelessBeachBum]

Okay, I will sell you my current set-up. For a steal exactly what I paid for it.

HP Jornada 568 ($700) (of course ignore the fact you can buy them new for $250 now)
HP CF Flash Camera ($149.99)
Pharos GPS and Mapping Software ($250)
HP Extended battery and PCMCIA slot ($150)
D-Link Wireless Lan card (100)
Adaptor for wireless Lan card (40)
Serria Wireless PCS Vision Aircard ($350)
Canon Portable printer ($300)
Software drivers for canon printer ($30)
1GB CF flash card ($500)
Portable keyboard (99.99)
wireless portable keyboard (99.99)
Spare battery with MMC (80.00)

I will round this one day only special to $3000 and throw in a fully operational HP Jornada 548 to any takers......

Will that be cash...or credit card?

Man if my wife only new what I spent on this junk....

[JBird]

Originally posted by: bobolito
By the way, ye110man, your dream phone may be closer to reality than you think:


http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/phon...ils.php?id=167

wow don't even care about the mpeg4 feature, but that phone looks hella cool. the swivel screen, woo. I can imagine it'll be a Euro only phone. would be sweet to see Sprint pick it up though.

[scottb]

Forget the dream phone, I would be happy with a dream provider. By this I mean one that charges me only for the call time I use and not rounding every call up to the next minute. Also, charge me for the connect time only when browsing the mobile Web, not charge me for the entire session. I beleive this would make my 550 minute plan seem like 1000.

I know, it's a dream!

[WirelessBeachBum]

scottb

when your browsing the web on your 2g phone does it disconnect after 30 seconds of not using it or does it stay connect the entire time. depending on how you use the web you may want to alter that setting on your phone...(this usually has to be done by PST programming.)

Changing that setting could reduce your bill...of course it could also increase it. It really depends on what you use Wireless web for.

[ye110man]

nextel doesn't round up to the next minute. and many carriers charge by mb downloaded instead of time since there could be a lot of idle time. i'd rather be charged by the minute though.

[bobolito]

ye110man,

you'd need 2 cell phones then. 1 for the car and 1 to communicate with it.
Not really, the phone can have its own separate transceiver to communicate directly with the car. No need to rely on the service provider.

i don't think solar power would provide enough power for a cell phone.
What can I tell you? The batteries used today would not provide enough power for the phones used back in the 80's. In the future who knows?

call forwarding is available from the service provider.
I was not referring to Call Forwarding. I am talking about Call Transfer, meaning that during a conversation you can transfer the call to another phone and hang up your cell while keeping the connection alive. Useful if the battery is dying or if you want to save your minutes. This is a feature possible today but I don't think providers want to let you do that.

[ye110man]

Originally posted by: bobolito
Not really, the phone can have its own separate transceiver to communicate directly with the car. No need to rely on the service provider.

then it would have a limited range though that really wouldn't matter much since we can assume that in most cases you would be near your car. anyways this technology can be implemented today though only near a stationary receiver. there are already radio transmiters for cars. if you place a receiver in your house and hook it up to your computer, you can place the information on a personal webpage and check it using your phone. i've actually seen this sort of setup.

Originally posted by: bobolito
I was not referring to Call Forwarding. I am talking about Call Transfer, meaning that during a conversation you can transfer the call to another phone and hang up your cell while keeping the connection alive. Useful if the battery is dying or if you want to save your minutes. This is a feature possible today but I don't think providers want to let you do that.

you can do that with 3-way calling. or any even easier method i use all the time... just call the other person with your other phone!

[scottb]

Originally posted by: WirelessBeachBum
scottb

when your browsing the web on your 2g phone does it disconnect after 30 seconds of not using it or does it stay connect the entire time. depending on how you use the web you may want to alter that setting on your phone...(this usually has to be done by PST programming.)

Changing that setting could reduce your bill...of course it could also increase it. It really depends on what you use Wireless web for.

I'm not sure, but I think it disconnects after 30 seconds (is there a way to tell?). I assume this means every time it re-connects it is another full minute of useage. Typically I use the Mobile Web to check e-mail and read news.

[bobolito]

you can do that with 3-way calling. or any even easier method i use all the time... just call the other person with your other phone!

ye110man,

Maybe I am not making myself clear enough. Call transfer is different than 3-way calling. Using 3-way calling the way you described you are still using your cell minutes and if your phone battery dies, the call drops. However, with Call transfer you stop using your cell minutes when you transfer the call because you hang up your cell. Also, calling from your other phone may not be a practical solution as you may incur long distance charges and sometimes it is not possible if the other person is in a pay phone or international and you cannot call them back, or let's say you can only call them from your cellphone because you don't have LD in your home phone. In those cases, you can simply transfer the call to your home phone and continue talking without having to disconnect the call and still save your cell minutes. If the effectiveness of Call Transfer was accomplished using other methods, then it would not exist. People who work in an office environment know how useful it is.

[ye110man]

is that how 3-way calling works?
i always assumed that you only get charged for the time you are connected and not the time you have a dial tone. so if you are using 3-way calling and you hang up but the other parties continue to talk you are being charged for that?

[rallykid]

All of that on a phone? Are you looking for it to have zero to sixty times in under 4 seconds too? *LOL* I am not sure that it will be available for a few years, but I think such a phone could happen, look at the way the technology has progressed in the last 3 years.

[bobolito]

If you initiate the 3-way calling session, as soon as you hang up, the others will be disconnected. In other words, if person A is talking to person B, then person B calls person C, when person B hangs up, person A and C will be disconnected. Person B will actually be charged double amount of minutes for every minute because it was a 3-way call.